ASG-29 versus Ventus 2CX

wrote:
The reason I was asking this question is I wanted to know which is the
glider to have to race 15 meter and 18 meter! Does one have a
performance advantage over the other?

May I suggest again, nicely, that if you need to ask these questions,
you probably don't currently have the racing skills necessary to take
advantage of whatever small difference there is in performance. Get any
glider that is comfortable for you and your husband, race for a few
years, by the time you reach the performance limits of whatever you buy,
there will likely be a new generation of gliders out there to consider.

Also the cockpit size keeps my husband from being
able to fly this bird.

If you husband is wide, rather than simply tall, the only options that
will likely work for him are the V2B/C or Discus 2B/C. If he is more
moderate in width, and long legged or long torso, the DG-808S and
LAK-17A will also work. If just long legged, the ASG-29 will probably
work.

Marc

Dear Marc:

Thank you for your comments, however, may I suggest to you that I
really know why I am asking the specific question I am asking.

I am looking for an intelligent unbiassed discussion about only V2CX
versus ASG-29.

wrote:
Dear Marc:

Thank you for your comments, however, may I suggest to you that I
really know why I am asking the specific question I am asking.

I am looking for an intelligent unbiassed discussion about only V2CX
versus ASG-29.


Go for it. Good luck with finding an unbiased discussion, there are few
things more biased than choosing one glider brand over another...

Why would a buyer who is putting up 120K plus be biased? We put up the
money and there is no return to being brand loyal. The buyer should
control. I have owned gliders from AS and SH, no bias only want the
best my dollars can buy.

So I ask again, if you wanted to buy the best for racing 15/18 which
glider?

Go for it. Good luck with finding an unbiased discussion, there are few
things more biased than choosing one glider brand over another...

Pilots come in all shapes. Measurements of cockpits can be deceptive, as
width depends on fore-and-aft position. You must try it on!

As to competition sucess, it somewhat depends on weather. the Southeast is
different than the Southwest. To be scientific, go to the SSA web page and
review all of last years 18m contests--regional and National. Then figure
the number of "29s and the number of V2s in the top quartile, divided by the
number of entries of each. This should give you the proportion of each
glider in the top quartile---The results should be interesting and
enlightening.

In strong weather---the 15m and 18m ships with high wing loading do well. In
anemic weather the 18m ships with lighter wing loading do well.

Good luck in your quest---I really don't think you would go far wrong either
way

--
Hartley Falbaum
DG800B "KF" USA/prev ASW27B "KF" USA

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oups.com...
Why would a buyer who is putting up 120K plus be biased? We put up the
money and there is no return to being brand loyal. The buyer should
control. I have owned gliders from AS and SH, no bias only want the
best my dollars can buy.

So I ask again, if you wanted to buy the best for racing 15/18 which
glider?

Go for it. Good luck with finding an unbiased discussion, there are few
things more biased than choosing one glider brand over another...

wrote:
Why would a buyer who is putting up 120K plus be biased? We put up the
money and there is no return to being brand loyal. The buyer should
control. I have owned gliders from AS and SH, no bias only want the
best my dollars can buy.

Because the "best" is highly subjective, and will change over time and
with future contest results. What is the intent? To win a regional,
national, or world contest, this season, or 5 years down the line?
Mostly 15M or 18M? East coast, west coast, somewhere in between, or
somewhere else entirely? How many hours total and per season? How many
of those hours are in contests? Fly all the time loaded to the gills
with water, or only occasionally? Who do you fly with, and what do they
fly? Cockpit safety important to you? How long are you willing to wait
for delivery? How much are you willing to spend, and how much more will
you spend to get things set up the way you want? Etc.

Right now, bias is pretty much all you have to work with. The ASG-29 is
the latest design from a respected manufacturer, which is based on a
previous design that worked well enough for lots of people to win
contests in them. It can carry more water than the last generation of
gliders, so it will likely outrun most everything on those 10 knot days.
If money, delivery time, pilot size, and the possibility of having to
pay to reprofile bumpy wings are not issues to you, then it would be
silly to order anything else at this moment. If I were in that
position, I'd have put in my order in the day it was announced...

Hey Marc,
Finally you've posted an intelligent reply to her original question, instead
of running her down for having more $$ than you.
Good Job!
Jim
"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
.. .
wrote:
Why would a buyer who is putting up 120K plus be biased? We put up the
money and there is no return to being brand loyal. The buyer should
control. I have owned gliders from AS and SH, no bias only want the
best my dollars can buy.

Because the "best" is highly subjective, and will change over time and
with future contest results. What is the intent? To win a regional,
national, or world contest, this season, or 5 years down the line?
Mostly 15M or 18M? East coast, west coast, somewhere in between, or
somewhere else entirely? How many hours total and per season? How many
of those hours are in contests? Fly all the time loaded to the gills
with water, or only occasionally? Who do you fly with, and what do they
fly? Cockpit safety important to you? How long are you willing to wait
for delivery? How much are you willing to spend, and how much more will
you spend to get things set up the way you want? Etc.

Right now, bias is pretty much all you have to work with. The ASG-29 is
the latest design from a respected manufacturer, which is based on a
previous design that worked well enough for lots of people to win
contests in them. It can carry more water than the last generation of
gliders, so it will likely outrun most everything on those 10 knot days.
If money, delivery time, pilot size, and the possibility of having to
pay to reprofile bumpy wings are not issues to you, then it would be
silly to order anything else at this moment. If I were in that
position, I'd have put in my order in the day it was announced...

Jim Hultman wrote:
Hey Marc,
Finally you've posted an intelligent reply to her original question, instead
of running her down for having more $$ than you.

Who was running her down? I buy the prettiest glider I can fit into,
with the bucks that I have, just like almost everyone else. If she
hasn't figured that out yet, endlessly posting the same questions isn't
going to get her an answer...

Marc

Jim Hultman wrote:
Hey Marc,
Finally you've posted an intelligent reply to her original question, instead
of running her down for having more $$ than you.

Who was running her down? I buy the prettiest glider I can fit into,
with the bucks that I have, just like almost everyone else. If she
hasn't figured that out yet, endlessly posting the same questions isn't
going to get her an answer...

Marc

wrote:
Why would a buyer who is putting up 120K plus be biased? We put up the
money and there is no return to being brand loyal. The buyer should
control. I have owned gliders from AS and SH, no bias only want the
best my dollars can buy.

So I ask again, if you wanted to buy the best for racing 15/18 which
glider?

Go for it. Good luck with finding an unbiased discussion, there are few
things more biased than choosing one glider brand over another...