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Judah writes:

It should be pointed out that in order to behold that certificate, you had
to have a certain number of hours of training with a certified instructor,
and then had to demonstrate your ability to perform certain manuevers
within certain standard levels of tolerance.

But you don't have to be able to fly a plane safely, as so many
accidents prove.

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Judah writes:

It should be pointed out that in order to behold that certificate, you
had
to have a certain number of hours of training with a certified
instructor,
and then had to demonstrate your ability to perform certain manuevers
within certain standard levels of tolerance.

But you don't have to be able to fly a plane safely, as so many
accidents prove.

Name a test of a skill, that involves potential great danger, that is
infallible. Idiot.

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But you don't have to be able to fly a plane safely, as so many
accidents prove.

You have to be able to demonstrate that you can fly a plane safely before
getting your certificate. That is the stated detailed mission of the
Practical Test Standards.

The accidents only prove that human beings don't always do what they can.
Perhaps they encounter situations that are beyond their control and/or
capability, perhaps they make mistakes, or perhaps they are arrogant cowboys
and decide they can do what they want.

The same could be said about automobile accidents. The holder of a driver's
license has demonstrated that the s/he can drive safely and is aware of the
basic rules. And yet, the idea that those rules can be broken is so
institutionalized, the government has produced a "point" system that allows
drivers to be CAUGHT as many as 12 times before their privileges are taken
away. The system is so institutionalized that some believe certain speed
zones have been installed not for safety, but for revenue production.

The same cannot be said of airspace safety.

Judah writes:

The accidents only prove that human beings don't always do what they can.
Perhaps they encounter situations that are beyond their control and/or
capability, perhaps they make mistakes, or perhaps they are arrogant cowboys
and decide they can do what they want.

It is also both possible and probable that the tests given to
prospective pilots are insufficiently accurate in predicting the
ability of a pilot to handle real-world situations.

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It is also both possible and probable that the tests given to
prospective pilots are insufficiently accurate in predicting the
ability of a pilot to handle real-world situations.

What, exactly, is the probability of that? And what is your source of
information to have defined that probability?

Judah writes:

What, exactly, is the probability of that?

Very high.

And what is your source of information to have defined that probability?

It is a longstanding problem with all types of standardized tests.
They never precisely represent the skills or knowledge they are
supposed to be testing.

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Judah writes:

What, exactly, is the probability of that?

Very high.


Obviously not. The vast majority of pilots are never involved in an
accident.



And what is your source of information to have defined that probability?

It is a longstanding problem with all types of standardized tests.
They never precisely represent the skills or knowledge they are
supposed to be testing.

You pass or fail based on your ability to show the examiner that you have
mastered a set of skills. The skills tested are those that the particular
certificate authorize you to carry out.

Virtually all aircraft accident fall into two categories mechanical and
pilot error. As for the mechanical, **** breaks nothing made by man is
perfect because of this we even train to deal with mechanical failures and
usually walk away from them.

Pilot error happens when a pilot either fails to apply what they have
learned or steps outside of the envelope of skill they have mastered.
Neither of these mean there was anything wrong with the test it simply means
that humans aren't perfect and that of course includes the tests.

Judah wrote:
What, exactly, is the probability of that? And what is your source of
information to have defined that probability?

Microsoft Probability Simulator, of course...