How do you find the limits of areas on a chart?

Judah writes:

Yes, but you also seem to be extraordinarily concerned with the possibility
of flying through a non-restrictive area.

Sometimes MOAs are active, and there may be dangerous activities going
on inside.

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Judah writes:

It should be pointed out that in order to behold that certificate, you had
to have a certain number of hours of training with a certified instructor,
and then had to demonstrate your ability to perform certain manuevers
within certain standard levels of tolerance.

But you don't have to be able to fly a plane safely, as so many
accidents prove.

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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

(2) Except as provided in Sec. 61.110 of this part, 3 hours of night
flight training in a single-engine airplane that includes--
(i) One cross-country flight of over 100 nautical miles total
distance; and

Sounds like just crossing Phoenix would qualify.

(i) 5 hours of solo cross-country time;
(ii) One solo cross-country flight of at least 150 nautical miles
total distance, with full-stop landings at a minimum of three points,
and one segment of the flight consisting of a straight-line distance of
at least 50 nautical miles between the takeoff and landing locations;
and

Sounds like crossing Phoenix might _still_ qualify.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Judah writes:

It should be pointed out that in order to behold that certificate, you
had
to have a certain number of hours of training with a certified
instructor,
and then had to demonstrate your ability to perform certain manuevers
within certain standard levels of tolerance.

But you don't have to be able to fly a plane safely, as so many
accidents prove.

Name a test of a skill, that involves potential great danger, that is
infallible. Idiot.

m

Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Neil Gould writes:

How on Earth would you have the slightest idea as to whether it is or
isn't????

Because, as I have previously explained, I study. While neonates may
be constrained to learn only through direct experience and trial and
error, older human beings have the option of looking things up.

The error that you repeatedly make is thinking that reading alone will
give you insights into a physical experience. It won't. All pilots study,
and are well-read on the topic of flight; if they weren't, they wouldn't
even get so far as to be student pilots. In addition to the reading, we
have practice; many hours of translating the theory of flight into the
physical reality of flight under the guidance of those who have flown and
can correct our misunderstanding. It isn't until we have demonstrated
proficiency as well as a level of knowledge that we are granted a
certificate. Regardless of your high opinion of yourself, you are not
going to even come close to flying with MSFS. To make matters worse, you
don't even read the references that you're given that answer your
primitive questions, preferring to be spoon-fed in a newsgroup, but you
lack the level of knowledge necessary to understand the answers that are
given. So, to put things into your frame of reference, if we are neonates,
you haven't even managed your first cell division.

Neil

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Because, as I have previously explained, I study. While neonates may
be constrained to learn only through direct experience and trial and
error, older human beings have the option of looking things up.

If you study and look things up, why do you keep asking questions on this
newsgroup that have already been answered elsewhere? The implication is that
you do NOT study or look things up, you simply wait for people to relay
information to you at your convenience.

In rec.aviation.piloting B A R R Y wrote:
On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 04:23:59 GMT, A Lieberma
wrote:

B A R R Y wrote in news:ziN2h.754$7F3.71
:

I'm happy, but we just got the Slowdowner as "perfect" as I care... G

Took me three years to get to the point where I got every switch knob and
button working.

We kind of gave up on the parking brake. G

That's one of those things that you think is just an extravagance. Until
you pull up to a foreign airport, taxi up to the fuel tank, shut down
the engine, and then realize that there is a slight slope to the ramp
and if you let go the brakes, you will roll into the tank. "Ummm... hello...
Podunk Unicom?... Anybody home?..."

Next up will be the interior when I get rich and famous for the money.

I feel your pain...

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Don Poitras

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

My coordinates, my heading and speed, and an arrow pointing to my
destination heading if I've entered one into the GPS.

How do you have time to look without hitting a mountain?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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But you don't have to be able to fly a plane safely, as so many
accidents prove.

You have to be able to demonstrate that you can fly a plane safely before
getting your certificate. That is the stated detailed mission of the
Practical Test Standards.

The accidents only prove that human beings don't always do what they can.
Perhaps they encounter situations that are beyond their control and/or
capability, perhaps they make mistakes, or perhaps they are arrogant cowboys
and decide they can do what they want.

The same could be said about automobile accidents. The holder of a driver's
license has demonstrated that the s/he can drive safely and is aware of the
basic rules. And yet, the idea that those rules can be broken is so
institutionalized, the government has produced a "point" system that allows
drivers to be CAUGHT as many as 12 times before their privileges are taken
away. The system is so institutionalized that some believe certain speed
zones have been installed not for safety, but for revenue production.

The same cannot be said of airspace safety.

Judah writes:

If you study and look things up, why do you keep asking questions on this
newsgroup that have already been answered elsewhere?

I like to have multiple sources of information. It's risky to trust a
single source.

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