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Jay Beckman wrote:

I realize much of what people value in their planes if often very personal
but I don't think I've read anything comparitive between the two that was
spawned from first hand experience.
Could you possibly do a quick and dirty 172 Vs Warrior and why the Piper
fits better?

1) Best comparison be between models in the same time frame. It's
not fair to compare a current 172 that's fuel injected, G1000,
and so on (at $250K+ USD) with an older PA28, etc.

2) Assuming same time frame - let's define it as early-mid 70s.
C172 advantages:
high wing sun shade
better for photos looking down
2 door access

PA28 advantages
2 gal. more fuel
slightly heavier
more stable in crosswind
slightly higher service ceiling (I live in Colorado-important!)
glareshield lower - don't need as many pillows to look over
manual flaps (well, I think that's an advantage)
easier to fill the gas tanks & wash the windows - no need for
a ladder

Overall, it's really your personal religious decision. Go fly in
each and see what you like/dislike.

: 1) Best comparison be between models in the same time frame. It's
: not fair to compare a current 172 that's fuel injected, G1000,
: and so on (at $250K+ USD) with an older PA28, etc.

: 2) Assuming same time frame - let's define it as early-mid 70s.
: C172 advantages:
: high wing sun shade
: better for photos looking down
: 2 door access

: PA28 advantages
: 2 gal. more fuel
: slightly heavier
: more stable in crosswind
: slightly higher service ceiling (I live in Colorado-important!)

Even *I* don't know if I buy that. The Hershey-bar wing is pretty slug-like compared to the 172. It helps in turbulence, stall
characteristics, and crosswind, but not in climb-related things. In the early-mid 70's are you talking about taper-wing? Then that might
be the case (dunno... I'm only calibrated to Hershey-wing PA28's).

: glareshield lower - don't need as many pillows to look over
: manual flaps (well, I think that's an advantage)
: easier to fill the gas tanks & wash the windows - no need for
: a ladder

-Cory


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* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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In article ,
wrote:

: slightly higher service ceiling (I live in Colorado-important!)

Even *I* don't know if I buy that. The Hershey-bar wing is pretty slug-like
compared to the 172. It helps in turbulence, stall
characteristics, and crosswind, but not in climb-related things. In the
early-mid 70's are you talking about taper-wing? Then that might
be the case (dunno... I'm only calibrated to Hershey-wing PA28's).

As was explained to me (years ago, when the change to taper-wings
occurred), the Hershey-bar wing is a better climber, up to 10,000 feet.
The taper-wing advantage takes over above 10,000.

john smith wrote:


As was explained to me (years ago, when the change to taper-wings
occurred), the Hershey-bar wing is a better climber, up to 10,000 feet.
The taper-wing advantage takes over above 10,000.



Yeah, you get 200 fpm instead of 150.

wrote:
: slightly higher service ceiling (I live in Colorado-important!)

Even *I* don't know if I buy that. The Hershey-bar wing is pretty
slug-like compared to the 172. It helps in turbulence, stall
characteristics, and crosswind, but not in climb-related things. In the
early-mid 70's are you talking about taper-wing? Then that might
be the case (dunno... I'm only calibrated to Hershey-wing PA28's).

Cory:

I, too, have the cherokee 180D (hershey bar). The published ceiling
is 16K (ok, on a 1969 document) but I've had it up to 15K. I've
noticed that the newer the cherokee, the lower the ceiling due to
more weight of the aircraft. Overall max weight of 2400 has
remained the same.

Example, according to the 180G docs, absolute is 15K and service is 13K.
Yet in the similar docs for my 180D, the numbers are 16K/14K. I've been
up above 14.5K many times (Leadville, for example).

I dunno...

: Cory:

: I, too, have the cherokee 180D (hershey bar). The published ceiling
: is 16K (ok, on a 1969 document) but I've had it up to 15K. I've
: noticed that the newer the cherokee, the lower the ceiling due to
: more weight of the aircraft. Overall max weight of 2400 has
: remained the same.

Remember that these published service ceilings are alegedly at max gross. I really doubt there are many 180's that can
actually make it up 15K at full gross. I've had mine up there before, but it was only with 2 people and 3/4 tanks... had about
50-100fpm is all.

-Cory



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* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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In article , Blanche
wrote:


as a cherokee owner and having had a hangar for a little while, any high wing
aircraft has an advantage vs low wing aircarft wrt hangars. It's way easier to
walk around in the hangar.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
as a cherokee owner and having had a hangar for a little while, any high wing
aircraft has an advantage vs low wing aircarft wrt hangars. It's way easier to
walk around in the hangar.

Do you have a line of diamond shaped scars in your forehead?


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I'm 5' 10" and can easily walk under the entire wing of (my) 1960 C-172 A...
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ...
: In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
: as a cherokee owner and having had a hangar for a little while, any high wing
: aircraft has an advantage vs low wing aircarft wrt hangars. It's way easier to
: walk around in the hangar.
:
: Do you have a line of diamond shaped scars in your forehead?
:
:
: --
: Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
: Welcome to Global Warming, everyone. It appears to be globally
: warmer, and if that isn't Global Warming, then What The Fsck Is?
: -- Mike Andrews

..Blueskies. wrote:
I'm 5' 10" and can easily walk under the entire wing of (my) 1960 C-172 A...
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ...
:
: Do you have a line of diamond shaped scars in your forehead?
:
:

I'm 5'11 and got may fair share of diamond shaped injuries when I was
renting 172's prior to buying my Six. My only real beef with a high
wing (or a T tail) is getting ice or snow off of it.