Thrown out of an FBO...

Jose wrote in
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This isn't a racial issue. Charter pilots are from every demographic
and if the statement is true then it's true.

It has nothing to do with race. Race (in my example) is just a stand-in
for =any= group which is percieved as being less worthy. In that, race
is no different than occupation.

And if it's true for a racial group, why is it not ok to say so?

Jose

How is being cheap considered to be less worthy?

Some people think being thrifty and cost conscious is a good thing.

(Of course, I'm also Jewish.)

How is being cheap considered to be less worthy?

Ask Jay. He finds charter pilots to be less worthy (of admiration for
their behavior).

Jose
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Jose wrote in news:r2U4h.2002$6t.1206
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:

How is being cheap considered to be less worthy?

Ask Jay. He finds charter pilots to be less worthy (of admiration for
their behavior).


The behavior Jay is describing is not being cheap: It is the failure to
reciprocate in response to a favor someone is doing for them.
Reciprocation for favors received is generally considered good form across
cultures and throughout time even when there is no formal requirement to
do so.

The fact is, Jay did something nice by filling up the car without being
asked or required. That act sets the stage: Whatever he says/does after
that has to be viewed based on that precedent. If he then inadvertently
makes a statement that others find objectionable, the proper response
would be to politely point that out.

If Jay had walked in to the FBO and said "I ain't filling up the tank
because I hate cheap charter pilots", that would have been a different
scenario.

Sinan
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"A. Sinan Unur" wrote in message
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If Jay had walked in to the FBO and said "I ain't filling up the tank
because I hate cheap charter pilots", that would have been a different
scenario.


Jay filled the courtesy car because he's too cheap to fill his airplane.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

Jay filled the courtesy car because he's too cheap to fill his airplane.

Which brings up an interesting point. Would the average FBO rather
have his courtesy car's tank filled, or would he rather pump 8 gallons
of Avgas into a plane that doesn't need gas?

I had 76 gallons on board when I landed, Karl. Making the line guy
bring the truck over didn't make much sense.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Jay filled the courtesy car because he's too cheap to fill his airplane.

Which brings up an interesting point. Would the average FBO rather
have his courtesy car's tank filled, or would he rather pump 8 gallons
of Avgas into a plane that doesn't need gas?

I had 76 gallons on board when I landed, Karl. Making the line guy
bring the truck over didn't make much sense.


He'd MUCH rather sell you fuel. That's his business.
Would you rather a customer just spend one night in your hotel, or fill up
your courtesy car?

And a charter pilot might be a cheap ******* by your accounts, but he'd
NEVER go on a one hour flight in a Cherokee with 500 pounds of gas.

The Cessna 185 holds 92 gallons of gas. There are times that I like to take
that much fuel, like on floats into the interior of British Columbia. But
for just cruising around, I like to have FUN, and that means a light
airplane for the $200 hamburger.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

The Cessna 185 holds 92 gallons of gas. There are times that I like to take
that much fuel, like on floats into the interior of British Columbia. But
for just cruising around, I like to have FUN, and that means a light
airplane for the $200 hamburger.

I know -- we've had this discussion.

Mary and I, however, decided long ago that we simply weren't ever going
to be caught short on fuel. Every year, a number of pilots kill
themselves by running out of gas, perhaps because they were enjoying
the added performance of a light plane -- and we figure that's one risk
we can easily eliminate simply by keeping the tanks full. Since our
plane can easily haul four 200-pounders, plus 84 gallons of fuel, we
always top off the tanks after every flight.

True, it diminishes performance slightly, but (unless we're on fire) we
feel you can't have too much fuel on board...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:27:51 -0800, "karl gruber"
wrote:


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jay filled the courtesy car because he's too cheap to fill his airplane.

Which brings up an interesting point. Would the average FBO rather
have his courtesy car's tank filled, or would he rather pump 8 gallons
of Avgas into a plane that doesn't need gas?

I had 76 gallons on board when I landed, Karl. Making the line guy
bring the truck over didn't make much sense.


He'd MUCH rather sell you fuel. That's his business.

Maybe. OTOH if the overhead is more than the gas he loses money.

Would you rather a customer just spend one night in your hotel, or fill up
your courtesy car?

And a charter pilot might be a cheap ******* by your accounts, but he'd
NEVER go on a one hour flight in a Cherokee with 500 pounds of gas.

500#? I fill the tanks if I'm going to fly to the neighboring airport
to fill the tanks. Around here you never know whether you are going to
make your destination or find yourself landing three states over due
to unexpected weather. I've seen too many run short. One guy did it
three times in two weeks. Don't know if he used the same bean field
each time or not. First two times were fine. He borrowed 5 gallons of
tractor gas and flew it home. Third time he trashed the plane. (He
didn't get hurt)


The Cessna 185 holds 92 gallons of gas. There are times that I like to take
that much fuel, like on floats into the interior of British Columbia. But
for just cruising around, I like to have FUN, and that means a light
airplane for the $200 hamburger.

Awh come on now:-)) A heavier airplane has a higher maneuvering
speed. Load 'er up and you can let it all hang out.

I have tip tanks on mine so I can carry an extra 30 gallons (180#).


Karl
"Curator" N185KG

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"karl gruber" wrote in message
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I had 76 gallons on board when I landed, Karl. Making the line guy
bring the truck over didn't make much sense.
He'd MUCH rather sell you fuel. That's his business.

Maybe he would have sold Jay fuel, but he threw Jay out.

-c

"Jose" wrote in message
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How is being cheap considered to be less worthy?

Ask Jay. He finds charter pilots to be less worthy (of admiration for
their behavior).


Gee, especially when he lends them a vehicle and pays for their gas.

Why wouldn't he admire THAT?!

Yeesh.
-c