Airbus 380

They'll be back. That's what happened to me. It took me over 10 years,
but I never forgot....

I've got to agree with the people who say to train in newer, better
equipment. I learned to fly in a 2-33, but quite frankly couldn't care
less if I ever flew one again. Put me in an ASK-21, or better yet a
Discus (or Duo!), and I'm right where I want to be. These are great
aircraft, and there is absolutely no reason someone couldn't start out in
the K-21 and transition directly to a Discus. You can bet your last dollar
that the younger kids starting out think exactly the same way. They'll
fly anything, but if they have the chance to fly something cool, it means
much more.

When my daughter is ready to learn to fly, and that day is coming soon, her
first solo will definitely be in a K-21. No question about it.


Mark Lenox, CFIG
Chilhowee Gliderport


On the other hand, I have seen a LOT of young people who were enthralled
with soaring but who eventually left with a tear in their eyes when the
cost became overwhelming.

Bill Daniels

My favorite club glider is our K-8. I love it when I'm in a tight thermal
and I'm climbing away from a DG-1000!

Mike Schumann

"Mark Lenox" wrote in message
. ..
They'll be back. That's what happened to me. It took me over 10 years,
but I never forgot....

I've got to agree with the people who say to train in newer, better
equipment. I learned to fly in a 2-33, but quite frankly couldn't care
less if I ever flew one again. Put me in an ASK-21, or better yet a
Discus (or Duo!), and I'm right where I want to be. These are great
aircraft, and there is absolutely no reason someone couldn't start out in
the K-21 and transition directly to a Discus. You can bet your last
dollar that the younger kids starting out think exactly the same way.
They'll fly anything, but if they have the chance to fly something cool,
it means much more.

When my daughter is ready to learn to fly, and that day is coming soon,
her first solo will definitely be in a K-21. No question about it.


Mark Lenox, CFIG
Chilhowee Gliderport


On the other hand, I have seen a LOT of young people who were enthralled
with soaring but who eventually left with a tear in their eyes when the
cost became overwhelming.

Bill Daniels

Mike Schumann wrote:
My favorite club glider is our K-8. I love it when I'm in a tight thermal
and I'm climbing away from a DG-1000!

And I like being in the DG-1000 because I can leave the thermal and fly
both faster and farther than you before needing to thermal again. :-)

That's really just a round about way of making a related point. There's
a substantial number of glider pilots who get stuck in the gap between
taking friends for sled rides and flying cross-country in a fun and safe
manner. Getting people across that gap often helps them stick with
soaring much longer.

Jeremy

Just because you are in an old glider doesn't mean that you can't fly cross
country. One of our club member, Jim Hard, just finished his goal of flying
40K KM in his 1-26 this summer.

The fun of soaring is the challenge. The type of equipment you fly just
changes the challenge. It doesn't necessarily increase or reduce it.

Mike Schumann

"Jeremy Zawodny" wrote in message
...
Mike Schumann wrote:
My favorite club glider is our K-8. I love it when I'm in a tight
thermal and I'm climbing away from a DG-1000!

And I like being in the DG-1000 because I can leave the thermal and fly
both faster and farther than you before needing to thermal again. :-)

That's really just a round about way of making a related point. There's a
substantial number of glider pilots who get stuck in the gap between
taking friends for sled rides and flying cross-country in a fun and safe
manner. Getting people across that gap often helps them stick with
soaring much longer.

Jeremy

Mike Schumann wrote:
Just because you are in an old glider doesn't mean that you can't fly cross
country.

In the climate and geography where I fly part of the year, it really
does--at least if you don't want to end up in a field more than 50% of
the time.

In the other locations I fly, you could go XC in a coffin on many days.
There, I completely agree with you.

Jeremy

Mike Schumann wrote:
Just because you are in an old glider doesn't mean that you can't fly cross
country. One of our club member, Jim Hard, just finished his goal of flying
40K KM in his 1-26 this summer.

The fun of soaring is the challenge. The type of equipment you fly just
changes the challenge. It doesn't necessarily increase or reduce it.

Mike Schumann


Amen Mike!!

Hi Mike,

At some point in your soaring career, I hope you do some cross-country in
the DG-1000 with Dick or Fred. It is very fun!!!

There is a lot to be said for generous owners of hot 2-seaters that let the
rest of us fly cross-country fly with them. They do a lot to encourage
soaring and cross-country in my opinion.

Not that there is anything wrong with doing cross-country in the Ka-8. It
seems like a very nice glider. But why don't you use the club's Junior? It
it extremely nice to fly and has much better performance than the Ka-8.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
nk.net...
My favorite club glider is our K-8. I love it when I'm in a tight thermal
and I'm climbing away from a DG-1000!

Mike Schumann

"Mark Lenox" wrote in message
. ..
They'll be back. That's what happened to me. It took me over 10
years, but I never forgot....

I've got to agree with the people who say to train in newer, better
equipment. I learned to fly in a 2-33, but quite frankly couldn't care
less if I ever flew one again. Put me in an ASK-21, or better yet a
Discus (or Duo!), and I'm right where I want to be. These are great
aircraft, and there is absolutely no reason someone couldn't start out in
the K-21 and transition directly to a Discus. You can bet your last
dollar that the younger kids starting out think exactly the same way.
They'll fly anything, but if they have the chance to fly something cool,
it means much more.

When my daughter is ready to learn to fly, and that day is coming soon,
her first solo will definitely be in a K-21. No question about it.


Mark Lenox, CFIG
Chilhowee Gliderport


On the other hand, I have seen a LOT of young people who were enthralled
with soaring but who eventually left with a tear in their eyes when the
cost became overwhelming.

Bill Daniels

Unfortunately, I don't have enough flight experience yet to qualify to fly
the Junior under the MSC rules.

Mike Schumann

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:sR55h.231090$FQ1.110494@attbi_s71...
Hi Mike,

At some point in your soaring career, I hope you do some cross-country in
the DG-1000 with Dick or Fred. It is very fun!!!

There is a lot to be said for generous owners of hot 2-seaters that let
the rest of us fly cross-country fly with them. They do a lot to
encourage soaring and cross-country in my opinion.

Not that there is anything wrong with doing cross-country in the Ka-8. It
seems like a very nice glider. But why don't you use the club's Junior?
It it extremely nice to fly and has much better performance than the Ka-8.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
nk.net...
My favorite club glider is our K-8. I love it when I'm in a tight
thermal and I'm climbing away from a DG-1000!

Mike Schumann

"Mark Lenox" wrote in message
. ..
They'll be back. That's what happened to me. It took me over 10
years, but I never forgot....

I've got to agree with the people who say to train in newer, better
equipment. I learned to fly in a 2-33, but quite frankly couldn't
care less if I ever flew one again. Put me in an ASK-21, or better
yet a Discus (or Duo!), and I'm right where I want to be. These are
great aircraft, and there is absolutely no reason someone couldn't start
out in the K-21 and transition directly to a Discus. You can bet your
last dollar that the younger kids starting out think exactly the same
way. They'll fly anything, but if they have the chance to fly something
cool, it means much more.

When my daughter is ready to learn to fly, and that day is coming soon,
her first solo will definitely be in a K-21. No question about it.


Mark Lenox, CFIG
Chilhowee Gliderport


On the other hand, I have seen a LOT of young people who were
enthralled with soaring but who eventually left with a tear in their
eyes when the cost became overwhelming.

Bill Daniels

Ah, hurdles. One of the banes of the soaring experience. Philadelphia
Glider Council eliminated the hurdles a few years back by changing to
an all glass fleet with 3*G-103's for training, 2*G102's for early
single seater and XC, and an ASW-19 for a bit better XC experience. By
eliminating the hurdles, they wound up with 6 gliders doing the same
amount of work of 9 diverse gliders in the previous fleet. Secondly,
the examiners said they were turning out better pilots.

PGC's Bob Lacovara gives a convincing talk on delivering on the promise
of soaring. We promise the sleek, sexy glass slippers, but stick
students in the beat 2-33's. Better to deliver on the promise. Don't
be afraid to dream a bit.

Frank Whiteley

Mike Schumann wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't have enough flight experience yet to qualify to fly
the Junior under the MSC rules.

Mike Schumann

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:sR55h.231090$FQ1.110494@attbi_s71...
Hi Mike,

At some point in your soaring career, I hope you do some cross-country in
the DG-1000 with Dick or Fred. It is very fun!!!

There is a lot to be said for generous owners of hot 2-seaters that let
the rest of us fly cross-country fly with them. They do a lot to
encourage soaring and cross-country in my opinion.

Not that there is anything wrong with doing cross-country in the Ka-8. It
seems like a very nice glider. But why don't you use the club's Junior?
It it extremely nice to fly and has much better performance than the Ka-8.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
nk.net...
My favorite club glider is our K-8. I love it when I'm in a tight
thermal and I'm climbing away from a DG-1000!

Mike Schumann

"Mark Lenox" wrote in message
. ..
They'll be back. That's what happened to me. It took me over 10
years, but I never forgot....

I've got to agree with the people who say to train in newer, better
equipment. I learned to fly in a 2-33, but quite frankly couldn't
care less if I ever flew one again. Put me in an ASK-21, or better
yet a Discus (or Duo!), and I'm right where I want to be. These are
great aircraft, and there is absolutely no reason someone couldn't start
out in the K-21 and transition directly to a Discus. You can bet your
last dollar that the younger kids starting out think exactly the same
way. They'll fly anything, but if they have the chance to fly something
cool, it means much more.

When my daughter is ready to learn to fly, and that day is coming soon,
her first solo will definitely be in a K-21. No question about it.


Mark Lenox, CFIG
Chilhowee Gliderport


On the other hand, I have seen a LOT of young people who were
enthralled with soaring but who eventually left with a tear in their
eyes when the cost became overwhelming.

Bill Daniels

Another one that drank the coolaid.
"Frank Whiteley" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ah, hurdles. One of the banes of the soaring experience. Philadelphia
Glider Council eliminated the hurdles a few years back by changing to
an all glass fleet with 3*G-103's for training, 2*G102's for early
single seater and XC, and an ASW-19 for a bit better XC experience. By
eliminating the hurdles, they wound up with 6 gliders doing the same
amount of work of 9 diverse gliders in the previous fleet. Secondly,
the examiners said they were turning out better pilots.

PGC's Bob Lacovara gives a convincing talk on delivering on the promise
of soaring. We promise the sleek, sexy glass slippers, but stick
students in the beat 2-33's. Better to deliver on the promise. Don't
be afraid to dream a bit.

Frank Whiteley

Mike Schumann wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't have enough flight experience yet to qualify to
fly
the Junior under the MSC rules.

Mike Schumann

"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:sR55h.231090$FQ1.110494@attbi_s71...
Hi Mike,

At some point in your soaring career, I hope you do some cross-country
in
the DG-1000 with Dick or Fred. It is very fun!!!

There is a lot to be said for generous owners of hot 2-seaters that let
the rest of us fly cross-country fly with them. They do a lot to
encourage soaring and cross-country in my opinion.

Not that there is anything wrong with doing cross-country in the Ka-8.
It
seems like a very nice glider. But why don't you use the club's
Junior?
It it extremely nice to fly and has much better performance than the
Ka-8.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde

"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
nk.net...
My favorite club glider is our K-8. I love it when I'm in a tight
thermal and I'm climbing away from a DG-1000!

Mike Schumann

"Mark Lenox" wrote in message
. ..
They'll be back. That's what happened to me. It took me over 10
years, but I never forgot....

I've got to agree with the people who say to train in newer, better
equipment. I learned to fly in a 2-33, but quite frankly couldn't
care less if I ever flew one again. Put me in an ASK-21, or better
yet a Discus (or Duo!), and I'm right where I want to be. These are
great aircraft, and there is absolutely no reason someone couldn't
start
out in the K-21 and transition directly to a Discus. You can bet
your
last dollar that the younger kids starting out think exactly the same
way. They'll fly anything, but if they have the chance to fly
something
cool, it means much more.

When my daughter is ready to learn to fly, and that day is coming
soon,
her first solo will definitely be in a K-21. No question about it.


Mark Lenox, CFIG
Chilhowee Gliderport


On the other hand, I have seen a LOT of young people who were
enthralled with soaring but who eventually left with a tear in their
eyes when the cost became overwhelming.

Bill Daniels