Will the new government have any effect on GA?

Jim Macklin wrote:
Guns and the right to keep and bear arms are matters of
individual freedom. Aviation is about freedom. NASCAR is
about freedom. Golf is about freedom.
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
A Congressperson who supports, really supports, civil rights
understands that the right to keep and bear arms is an
individual right to self-defense, self-determination and a
guarantee of political power.

It is a test, like a "little moron" joke is a test of
American citizenship. Americans understand the humor.


I dislike the fact that flying is being compared to gun ownership. I
see very little similarity. One is a mode of transportation, and the
other is a weapon. You can't assume that all pilots support gun
ownership, any more than you can expect all stamp collectors to be gun
supporters.

Freedom is not without its boundaries. A good example is airplane
noise. When neighbors start complaining about airplane noise, you have
to do something about it. Arguing with them about our freedom to fly is
not going to get you anywhere. We can't infringe on other peoples
freedom just because we like to fly. The same thing goes for guns.

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:30:43 +0000, Matt Whiting wrote:
That's a good one!

I'm totally serious...

Unfortunately, they do more for our gun rights than any other group I
know of, liberal or otherwise.

Yeah, it's kind of like they are ****ing on the forest fire and the
leftists are throwing gasoline on it...

Newps writes:

Nonsense.

Ask the Secret Service.

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Andrew Sarangan wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote:

Guns and the right to keep and bear arms are matters of
individual freedom. Aviation is about freedom. NASCAR is
about freedom. Golf is about freedom.
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
A Congressperson who supports, really supports, civil rights
understands that the right to keep and bear arms is an
individual right to self-defense, self-determination and a
guarantee of political power.

It is a test, like a "little moron" joke is a test of
American citizenship. Americans understand the humor.



I dislike the fact that flying is being compared to gun ownership. I
see very little similarity. One is a mode of transportation, and the
other is a weapon. You can't assume that all pilots support gun
ownership, any more than you can expect all stamp collectors to be gun
supporters.

Freedom is not without its boundaries. A good example is airplane
noise. When neighbors start complaining about airplane noise, you have
to do something about it. Arguing with them about our freedom to fly is
not going to get you anywhere. We can't infringe on other peoples
freedom just because we like to fly. The same thing goes for guns.

I didn't see any such thing suggested. Where did you come up with this
idea from what was written above?

Matt

Grumman-581 wrote:

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 22:30:43 +0000, Matt Whiting wrote:

That's a good one!


I'm totally serious...

I know you were serious, but it was still funny. Even funnier since you
were serious.


Unfortunately, they do more for our gun rights than any other group I
know of, liberal or otherwise.


Yeah, it's kind of like they are ****ing on the forest fire and the
leftists are throwing gasoline on it...

So you'd rather we have nobody doing anything?

Matt

Nonsense.

Ask the Secret Service.

What can't we say today that we *could* say in 2000?

What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Nonsense.

Ask the Secret Service.


What can't we say today that we *could* say in 2000?

What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?

I don't know that you have lost any rights, but I've lost two that I can
think of quickly. I've lost the right to land at Washington National
airport. Luckily, I made one flight in there in the last 90s so I have
that in my logbook. It was a real neat trip. I had to fly in at night
as I couldn't get an IFR reservation before 7:00 PM and this was in the
winter. I had to hold briefly over the city waiting for a hole in the
airline traffic, but the view was priceless and I'd have held another 10
minutes given the chance.

I also lost the right to land at Meigs Field and I never did get in there.


Matt

What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?

The right to fly over your nation's capital. The right to fly past the
Space Shuttle when it is not being launched. The right to carry Napa
and Sonoma wine home in your carry-on baggage. The right to carry a
swiss army knife on an airliner (or anywhere, and forget about it when
you board an airliner). The right to read what you want in a public
library without disclosing that action to the government. The right to
be free in one's homes, telephones, computers, internet, and private
life from search. The right to face your accusers and know the charges
against you.

That's what I could think of in a minute and a half. There's more.

Jose
--
"Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where
it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Newps writes:


Nonsense.


Ask the Secret Service.

Nice answer. You made the allegation now support it. And I have talked
to the Secret Service, two weeks ago when they were up in the tower for
Bush's arrival and two weeks before that for Cheneys arrival. You are
full of crap.

What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?

The right to fly over your nation's capital. The right to fly past the
Space Shuttle when it is not being launched. The right to carry Napa
and Sonoma wine home in your carry-on baggage. The right to carry a
swiss army knife on an airliner (or anywhere, and forget about it when
you board an airliner).

Let's take the silly ones first:

1. I recently flew over Washington, DC. It was bone-simple.

2. With only a few airworthy space shuttles left -- and a political
climate that makes replacing them impossible -- I see nothing wrong
with restricting the airspace around Cape Canaveral.

3. I'm sure I can buy wine anywhere.

4. Letting people carry weapons on an airliner has proven to be a "bad
thing." I believe this restriction is in the "common sense" category.

The right to read what you want in a public
library without disclosing that action to the government. The right to
be free in one's homes, telephones, computers, internet, and private
life from search. The right to face your accusers and know the charges
against you.

Now on to the meatier examples:

1. The library rule will be overturned. Luckily, it's so unworkable,
in practice, that it is not used.

2. I hadn't heard that US citizens could have their homes searched
without due process. Are you referring to wire tapping overseas phone
calls?

3. I hadn't head that US citizens could be held without charges being
brought.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"