Will the new government have any effect on GA?

Newps writes:

Nonsense.

Ask the Secret Service.

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Nonsense.

Ask the Secret Service.

What can't we say today that we *could* say in 2000?

What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Nonsense.

Ask the Secret Service.


What can't we say today that we *could* say in 2000?

What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?

I don't know that you have lost any rights, but I've lost two that I can
think of quickly. I've lost the right to land at Washington National
airport. Luckily, I made one flight in there in the last 90s so I have
that in my logbook. It was a real neat trip. I had to fly in at night
as I couldn't get an IFR reservation before 7:00 PM and this was in the
winter. I had to hold briefly over the city waiting for a hole in the
airline traffic, but the view was priceless and I'd have held another 10
minutes given the chance.

I also lost the right to land at Meigs Field and I never did get in there.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
Nonsense.

Ask the Secret Service.


What can't we say today that we *could* say in 2000?

What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?

I don't know that you have lost any rights, but I've lost two that I can
think of quickly. I've lost the right to land at Washington National
airport. Luckily, I made one flight in there in the last 90s so I have
that in my logbook. It was a real neat trip. I had to fly in at night
as I couldn't get an IFR reservation before 7:00 PM and this was in the
winter. I had to hold briefly over the city waiting for a hole in the
airline traffic, but the view was priceless and I'd have held another 10
minutes given the chance.

I also lost the right to land at Meigs Field and I never did get in there.

I must have missed that "right" in any of the Constituional amendments.
Seaplanes still welcome..JG

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I must have missed that "right" in any of the Constituional amendments.

The authors of the Consitution tended to think along the lines of
everything being permissible, except that which was prohibited ... and
not the other way around. So it is not necessary to explicitly list
rights in the Constitution, it is only necessary to explicitly list
prohibitions. The only reason rights are listed is to counter
widespread abuses--by people who think it's okay to outlaw anything
that isn't guaranteed by the Constitution.

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What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?

The right to fly over your nation's capital. The right to fly past the
Space Shuttle when it is not being launched. The right to carry Napa
and Sonoma wine home in your carry-on baggage. The right to carry a
swiss army knife on an airliner (or anywhere, and forget about it when
you board an airliner). The right to read what you want in a public
library without disclosing that action to the government. The right to
be free in one's homes, telephones, computers, internet, and private
life from search. The right to face your accusers and know the charges
against you.

That's what I could think of in a minute and a half. There's more.

Jose
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What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War on Terror?

The right to fly over your nation's capital. The right to fly past the
Space Shuttle when it is not being launched. The right to carry Napa
and Sonoma wine home in your carry-on baggage. The right to carry a
swiss army knife on an airliner (or anywhere, and forget about it when
you board an airliner).

Let's take the silly ones first:

1. I recently flew over Washington, DC. It was bone-simple.

2. With only a few airworthy space shuttles left -- and a political
climate that makes replacing them impossible -- I see nothing wrong
with restricting the airspace around Cape Canaveral.

3. I'm sure I can buy wine anywhere.

4. Letting people carry weapons on an airliner has proven to be a "bad
thing." I believe this restriction is in the "common sense" category.

The right to read what you want in a public
library without disclosing that action to the government. The right to
be free in one's homes, telephones, computers, internet, and private
life from search. The right to face your accusers and know the charges
against you.

Now on to the meatier examples:

1. The library rule will be overturned. Luckily, it's so unworkable,
in practice, that it is not used.

2. I hadn't heard that US citizens could have their homes searched
without due process. Are you referring to wire tapping overseas phone
calls?

3. I hadn't head that US citizens could be held without charges being
brought.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 14 Nov 2006 07:59:14 -0800, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

4. Letting people carry weapons on an airliner has proven to be a "bad
thing." I believe this restriction is in the "common sense" category.

No, letting only SOME people carry weapons on airliners has proven a
bad thing, letting EVERYONE go armed has not.

Don

DonSideB

Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for a day,
Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

| 4. Letting people carry weapons on an airliner has proven
to be a "bad
| thing." I believe this restriction is in the "common
sense" category.
|
Mr. Dillon, Mr. Dillon, the outlaws are going to rob the
stage when it gets out of town, what should we do?
Take the guns away from the passengers to avoid violence.


A very few people ever carried weapons on airliners, an even
smaller number hijacked airplanes to Cuba. The government
banned guns on airliners. That ban made 9/11 easy and
possible since any weapon, even box cutters [which were
legal at the time] to take over the airplane.

If weapons, per se were evil, why does having an armed air
marshal work?



"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
| What rights have I lost due to anything done in the War
on Terror?
|
| The right to fly over your nation's capital. The right
to fly past the
| Space Shuttle when it is not being launched. The right
to carry Napa
| and Sonoma wine home in your carry-on baggage. The
right to carry a
| swiss army knife on an airliner (or anywhere, and forget
about it when
| you board an airliner).
|
| Let's take the silly ones first:
|
| 1. I recently flew over Washington, DC. It was
bone-simple.
|
| 2. With only a few airworthy space shuttles left -- and a
political
| climate that makes replacing them impossible -- I see
nothing wrong
| with restricting the airspace around Cape Canaveral.
|
| 3. I'm sure I can buy wine anywhere.
|
| 4. Letting people carry weapons on an airliner has proven
to be a "bad
| thing." I believe this restriction is in the "common
sense" category.
|
| The right to read what you want in a public
| library without disclosing that action to the
government. The right to
| be free in one's homes, telephones, computers, internet,
and private
| life from search. The right to face your accusers and
know the charges
| against you.
|
| Now on to the meatier examples:
|
| 1. The library rule will be overturned. Luckily, it's so
unworkable,
| in practice, that it is not used.
|
| 2. I hadn't heard that US citizens could have their homes
searched
| without due process. Are you referring to wire tapping
overseas phone
| calls?
|
| 3. I hadn't head that US citizens could be held without
charges being
| brought.
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

Let's take the silly ones first:

No freedoms are silly when they are taken away.

1. I recently flew over Washington, DC. It was bone-simple.

Did you really? I just got off the phone with the Leesburg FSS to check
my info. They tell me that ABSOLUTELY NO VFR flight is permitted in the
FRZ, except for based aircraft whose pilots have undergone a background
check, received a PIN number for that flight, received permission for
conducting that flight, and have previously visited the airport (there's
one in particular, but I didn't ask) IN PERSON to make application,
which means driving in the first time. This is not "bone simple".

IFR flight is not permitted either, unless one is going into National,
and in that case you must land outside the ADIZ and pick up an armed
flight marshall who will fly aboard your aircraft while you fly into the
FRZ.

I remember you made a big deal out of going to Dulles, for a special
event where the way was paved for you. But that's not the same as
flying over the Nation's Capital. Washington DC is =inside= the FRZ.

So, tell me. What exactly =did= you do?

2. With only a few airworthy space shuttles left -- and a political
climate that makes replacing them impossible -- I see nothing wrong
with restricting the airspace around Cape Canaveral.

Why? Perhaps a little one mile ring to keep people who can't maneuver
an airplane with that degree of precision away, but if you think this
keeps intentional harm away from the complex, that is laughable.

3. I'm sure I can buy wine anywhere.

So what? The freedom to carry =my= wine in =my= carry-on is not a silly
freedom. Besides, many of the wines one can get in California are not
available anywhere else. There just isn't enough made. I don't want
the government telling me what wine I can drink, which is what
effectively happens.

I guess you wouldn't understand though. You drink beer.

The wine rule came about because wine is a liquid, and somebody tried to
use liquid explosive. Ever played with powdered sugar around a heat
source?

4. Letting people carry weapons on an airliner has proven to be a "bad
thing." I believe this restriction is in the "common sense" category.

People carrying weapons is not a Bad Thing. It is only when Bad people
carry weapons where Good people can't that it's a Bad Thing. And a
Swiss Army Knife is not a weapon, except in the sense that anything can
be used as one (including a pencil).

The PA airliner didn't make it to the White House because Good People
fought the terrorists back. The solution is to keep weapons away from
Good People. Hmmm. Common sense?

Now on to the meatier examples:
1. The library rule will be overturned. Luckily, it's so unworkable,
in practice, that it is not used.

Really? You must get more use out of your time machine than you do out
of the Pathfinder. I don't see any reason for the government to
overturn the library rule, and it's the government that made it. All
they have to do is keep quiet about it. As it is, most people aren't
aware of it, and many that are are of the opinion that "if you aren't
reading anything bad, you have nothing to worry about."

How do you know that the library rule is not used? Part of the rule is
that the librarians are NOT ALLOWED TO SAY when it's been used.

2. I hadn't heard that US citizens could have their homes searched
without due process. Are you referring to wire tapping overseas phone
calls?

Anybody can have their homes searched without due process if the feds
use the magic words "national security". I'm also referring to aspects
of "home" that are not geographical, such as the contents of your hard
drive (which may be seized and searched if you try to bring a laptop on
an airliner), the expanded wiretapping and internet tapping
surveillance, and other tramplings of what we once considered private.
These measures are being pushed through without much resistance, in the
name of National Security. Each one passed makes it easier to pass the
next one.

3. I hadn't head that US citizens could be held without charges being
brought.

If the charges are based on National Security, the government could deem
them too secret to present to you. I have no first-hand experience with
this, but I am no longer convinced that we are not all vulnerable to it.

We're going to win the war on terrorism just like we won the war on drugs.

Jose
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it keeps its brain." (chapter 10 of book 3 - Harry Potter).
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