Thrown out of an FBO...

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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True to a point, however, using an 'exit' as an 'entrance' is not sinply
(note intentional mis-spelling) defying nature. It's defying God (pick
one!), nature, and the way of our ancestors.

You're simply projecting your personal squeamishness onto nature and God.
(How can anyone seriously believe that a Creator of the Universe would run
around fretting about where homo sapiens rub their genitals?)

Yes, our ancestors made the same mistake you're making, but that's no reason
to perpetuate it. Women's suffrage, when first introduced, was likewise a
defiance of what our ancestors had believed for thousands of years. And like
you, the opponents of that step forward felt certain that the change was
contrary to nature and God.

Which is the exact kind of thinking that makes religion, all religion, a
truly dangerous thing.

mike


"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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It's defying God (pick
one!), nature, and the way of our ancestors.

"mike regish" wrote in message
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Which is the exact kind of thinking that makes religion, all religion, a
truly dangerous thing.

mike
Like it or not, religion runs the world. How many wars were NOT religion
based?
Homosexual people cry discrimination all the time. I can't understand this.
We have bars, and clubs where you go and have a drink with friends. Gay
people feel the need to have 'gay bars, and gay clubs'. What's wrong with
the bars and clubs that are already there, and what has a bar or club got to
do with your sexual preference?
If I'm in a bar having a beer, I'll still drink with you. I don't expect
your sexual preference to be a required part of the conversation!
Oz/Crash Lander

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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Like it or not, religion runs the world. How many wars were NOT religion
based?

Lots.

Homosexual people cry discrimination all the time. I can't understand
this.

Then it's probably safe to say you're not a homosexual. Or at least, if you
are, you're still in the closet.

We have bars, and clubs where you go and have a drink with friends. Gay
people feel the need to have 'gay bars, and gay clubs'. What's wrong with
the bars and clubs that are already there, and what has a bar or club got
to do with your sexual preference?

well, for one...there aren't actually that many homosexuals out there.
Given that for straights or gays both, the bar scene is American culture's
primary meeting ground for sexual partners, it's useful to have a bar where
a homosexual can go and not waste time hitting on heterosexuals.

There are other reasons, including the fact that discrimination still exists
and so having a relative safe place to go is also useful. I think it's
silly to criticize homosexuals for seeking out specific places for
themselves. There are lots of good reasons, and many of those reasons have
to do with people being critical of homosexuals.

If I'm in a bar having a beer, I'll still drink with you. I don't expect
your sexual preference to be a required part of the conversation!

If you're at a bar to meet up with a sexual partner, I think that one's
sexual preference probably *would* be a required part of the conversation at
some point.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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Like it or not, religion runs the world. How many wars were NOT religion
based?

Lots.

Perhaps, but I'd suggest more were religion based than were not.


Then it's probably safe to say you're not a homosexual.

No, I'm not.

well, for one...there aren't actually that many homosexuals out there.
Given that for straights or gays both, the bar scene is American culture's
primary meeting ground for sexual partners, it's useful to have a bar
where a homosexual can go and not waste time hitting on heterosexuals.

So homosexual people separate them selves from the rest of the population,
in turn, feeding the discrimination and segregation they so fiercely
protest!

There are other reasons, including the fact that discrimination still
exists

And, as I've said, is fed (in a lot of cases, but not all, I grant you)by
homosexual people themselves!

and so having a relative safe place to go is also useful. I think it's
silly to criticize homosexuals for seeking out specific places for
themselves.

If all homosexual people went to the 'straight' clubs and pubs, they'd still
meet each other there! Why have a separate one? You don't hear straight
people crying discrimination when we aren't allowed in a 'gay' club. Sexual
'hook-ups' are not the only reason one goes to a pub or club.

If you're at a bar to meet up with a sexual partner, I think that one's
sexual preference probably *would* be a required part of the conversation
at some point.

*If* I were at the bar or club to find a sexual partner. As I said before,
that is not the only reason to be at a club or pub.

Crash Lander

Crash Lander wrote:

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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Like it or not, religion runs the world. How many wars were NOT religion
based?

Lots.


Perhaps, but I'd suggest more were religion based than were not.

But you'd be incorrect.

Matt

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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So homosexual people separate them selves from the rest of the population,
in turn, feeding the discrimination and segregation they so fiercely
protest!

I tend to separate myself from the non-flying population by hanging out at
airports. I do this BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE AIRPLANES ARE. Duh. Am I
feeding the discrimination against pilots just because I happen to have a
good understanding of how to most efficiently address my needs as a pilot?

There are other reasons, including the fact that discrimination still
exists

And, as I've said, is fed (in a lot of cases, but not all, I grant you)by
homosexual people themselves!

It is not "fed" at all by homosexuals. That is strictly in your perception,
and cannot be blamed on them.

and so having a relative safe place to go is also useful. I think it's
silly to criticize homosexuals for seeking out specific places for
themselves.

If all homosexual people went to the 'straight' clubs and pubs, they'd
still meet each other there!

No, they wouldn't. They would waste a lot of time meeting people who are
straight. I have several gay friends who have described this very problem.
There just aren't enough homosexual people in the general problem for them
to be effective at meeting other gays in settings not specifically
identified as being for gays.

Why have a separate one? You don't hear straight people crying
discrimination when we aren't allowed in a 'gay' club.

It is a common response from the dominant majority to cry "why aren't our
ways good enough for them?" Suffice to say, such cries are irrelevant and
misguided. They only serve to demonstrate just how little empathy those
people in the dominant majority have for what it really means to be in a
minority group.

Sexual 'hook-ups' are not the only reason one goes to a pub or club.

So what? That wasn't the question. The issue is what a gay person is to do
when the point *is* for meeting a sexual partner. Other uses for bars are
irrelevant.

If you're at a bar to meet up with a sexual partner, I think that one's
sexual preference probably *would* be a required part of the conversation
at some point.

*If* I were at the bar or club to find a sexual partner.

So you agree with me. Why did you bring it up then?

As I said before, that is not the only reason to be at a club or pub.

So what? The fact remains that meeting sexual partners IS a reason to be at
a bar, and inasmuch as this is true, having a bar where all the people there
are sexually like-minded is useful (and not at all related to the question
of "feeding discrimination").

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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[...]
There just aren't enough homosexual people in the general problem [...]

"Problem", "population"...I didn't write the word I meant to, but in
hindsight it seems to apply equally.

Crash Lander wrote:

"mike regish" wrote in message
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Which is the exact kind of thinking that makes religion, all religion, a
truly dangerous thing.

mike

Like it or not, religion runs the world. How many wars were NOT religion
based?

All of the wars that were based on economics and greed ... which is most
of them. Religion is often blamed, but seldom the root cause.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

Crash Lander wrote:

"mike regish" wrote in message
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Which is the exact kind of thinking that makes religion, all religion, a
truly dangerous thing.

mike

Like it or not, religion runs the world. How many wars were NOT religion
based?

All of the wars that were based on economics and greed ... which is most
of them. Religion is often blamed, but seldom the root cause.

Matt

How about WW II