Will the new government have any effect on GA?

On Nov 13, 2:49 am, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Iran has won, why
would they change now?

Iran is in its present position of strength (but not by a long shot
could it be called a winning position) because the Neocons decided to
go after a man and a country that presented no real threat to the US.
The idea that Saddam Hussein (an atheist socialist!) could have even
wanted to help Osama bin Laden (a religious fanatic) is a joke that
only the Neocons didn't get. Ironic, but true.

They ignored Iran (already presenting a threat - its nuclear program is
not new) and North Korea (ditto), and put 90% of the US military's
might into Iraq (with disastrous consequences for all involved, but
that's another story). Any 2nd-amendment-supporting red-blooded
Americans who supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq need to
re-examine their (no doubt default) patriotism, because going into Iraq
was _not_ in the best interests of this country - economic, diplomatic,
military, or otherwise. We've succeeded in weakening our military
position in the world, we've alienated allies, we've ****ed the
national budget, and we've left ourselves exposed to nuclear threats
from countries that we could've taken care of in a second if we hadn't
wasted all that time, money, and human life in Iraq.

Could bin Laden have wished for anything more? If what the Neocons have
done isn't treason, then nothing is. George Bush may as well have taken
a list of demands from bin Laden, bowed his head, and said, "It shall
be done."

Terrorism has won, the world will become very dangerous and
soon we will have a real world war being fought with nuclear
weapons and chemicals.

That's not true - terrorism hasn't won. What would it mean for
terrorism to win, anyway? True, bin Laden has played Bush, the Neocons,
and the right in general like a piano and gotten much of what he
wanted. But you can't argue that you haven't lost any rights and say
terrorism has won - it's a contradiction. You've got most of your
rights, and you're right in believing that the fact that you're a white
male protects you from the consequences of the rights you are losing.
Unless a white male does something really stupid, like get caught
fighting alongside the Taliban, there's no way the US government will
lock him up and throw away the key. Only a major change will threaten
your inalienable right as a white male to be given preferential
treatment by the US govt. But you're arguing that a major change is
happening.

So maybe you _should_ be worried.

Marc

And let's not forget, the promises of 9/12 by the Democrats
to support the President and the troops took a back seat to
regaining power. Five years of Democrat politics lost the
war and won the Democrats back, marginally, the power in
Congress.

Will the people realize this when the attacks begin here in
a few weeks or will they blame Bush because he is the
President?

BTW, the President has been pretty much a powerless office
since the Budget Acts in 1970-72. The President can fight a
war for only a few days and then must seek Congressional
support.


"Marc Adler" wrote in message
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| On Nov 13, 2:49 am, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Iran has won, why
| would they change now?
|
| Iran is in its present position of strength (but not by a
long shot
| could it be called a winning position) because the Neocons
decided to
| go after a man and a country that presented no real threat
to the US.
| The idea that Saddam Hussein (an atheist socialist!) could
have even
| wanted to help Osama bin Laden (a religious fanatic) is a
joke that
| only the Neocons didn't get. Ironic, but true.
|
| They ignored Iran (already presenting a threat - its
nuclear program is
| not new) and North Korea (ditto), and put 90% of the US
military's
| might into Iraq (with disastrous consequences for all
involved, but
| that's another story). Any 2nd-amendment-supporting
red-blooded
| Americans who supported the invasion and occupation of
Iraq need to
| re-examine their (no doubt default) patriotism, because
going into Iraq
| was _not_ in the best interests of this country -
economic, diplomatic,
| military, or otherwise. We've succeeded in weakening our
military
| position in the world, we've alienated allies, we've
****ed the
| national budget, and we've left ourselves exposed to
nuclear threats
| from countries that we could've taken care of in a second
if we hadn't
| wasted all that time, money, and human life in Iraq.
|
| Could bin Laden have wished for anything more? If what the
Neocons have
| done isn't treason, then nothing is. George Bush may as
well have taken
| a list of demands from bin Laden, bowed his head, and
said, "It shall
| be done."
|
| Terrorism has won, the world will become very dangerous
and
| soon we will have a real world war being fought with
nuclear
| weapons and chemicals.
|
| That's not true - terrorism hasn't won. What would it mean
for
| terrorism to win, anyway? True, bin Laden has played Bush,
the Neocons,
| and the right in general like a piano and gotten much of
what he
| wanted. But you can't argue that you haven't lost any
rights and say
| terrorism has won - it's a contradiction. You've got most
of your
| rights, and you're right in believing that the fact that
you're a white
| male protects you from the consequences of the rights you
are losing.
| Unless a white male does something really stupid, like get
caught
| fighting alongside the Taliban, there's no way the US
government will
| lock him up and throw away the key. Only a major change
will threaten
| your inalienable right as a white male to be given
preferential
| treatment by the US govt. But you're arguing that a major
change is
| happening.
|
| So maybe you _should_ be worried.
|
| Marc
|

On Nov 14, 5:18 pm, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

And let's not forget, the promises of 9/12 by the Democrats
to support the President and the troops took a back seat to
regaining power. Five years of Democrat politics lost the
war and won the Democrats back, marginally, the power in
Congress.

I don't know how you can blame the Democrats since all three branches
of govt were dominated by Republicans. The Republicans had their turn,
made a mess of it, and now the Democrats are at the plate. They won't
do any better, but in any case this kind of partisan political debate
isn't useful. People seem more interested in defeating the other party
(whichever that may be) than defeating the forces that are against the
US.

Will the people realize this when the attacks begin here in
a few weeks or will they blame Bush because he is the
President?

Sounds pretty paranoid. There aren't going to be any attacks in a few
weeks.

BTW, the President has been pretty much a powerless office
since the Budget Acts in 1970-72. The President can fight a
war for only a few days and then must seek Congressional
support.

Nothing wrong with that.

Marc

On 14 Nov 2006 16:18:53 -0800, "Marc Adler"
wrote:


I don't know how you can blame the Democrats since all three branches
of govt were dominated by Republicans.

To be fair, the GOP only really controlled the executive branch. That
being President Bush.

In the Congress, the GOP did control the House, but has never had a
working majority in the Senate. They did get to chair committees, but
there were always enough RINOS (Republicans In Name Only) like Snow,
Chafee, Hagel and others on any issue to prevent a successful
legislative agenda in Congress.

Likewise, thought a majority of the Justices on the Supreme Court were
appointed by Republicans, most were confirmed by Democrat controlled
Senates and previous Presidents didn't even try, after Bork, to
appoint a Justice who stuck to original intent in interpreting the
Constitution as that does not pass the Democrat litmus test on Roe V
Wade. (You could argue whether the principles of Roe are correct, but
there is no rational argument that the decision was not legislation
from the bench) So, in effect, only Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts
are Justices as the GOP would choose them. The rest are either far
left liberals like Ginsburg or White or RINO justices like Souter and
Kennedy. There has never been an original intent Supreme Court in our
lifetimes.

So, the GOP has its sins to pay for, but to claim they ever had a free
hand to implement their policies is ludicrous.

Don



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Recently, Don Tabor posted:

On 14 Nov 2006 16:18:53 -0800, "Marc Adler"
wrote:

I don't know how you can blame the Democrats since all three branches
of govt were dominated by Republicans.

To be fair, the GOP only really controlled the executive branch. That
being President Bush.

[...]

So, the GOP has its sins to pay for, but to claim they ever had a free
hand to implement their policies is ludicrous.

Just whose policies _were_ implemented, given that the Democrats couldn't
even get their policies presented for a vote? Get real.

Neil

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:58:52 GMT, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

So, the GOP has its sins to pay for, but to claim they ever had a free
hand to implement their policies is ludicrous.

Just whose policies _were_ implemented, given that the Democrats couldn't
even get their policies presented for a vote? Get real.

No one's policies got implemented. Hardly anything at all has gotten
done other than bipartisan pork barrel spending.

Go ahead, name one major domestic program change since the original
tax cuts.

Social Security Reform died. Renewed offshore and inshore oil
exploration blocked. Medicare reform replaced by a prescription drug
program that was more than the GOP wanted but less than they feared
Dems might get if they didn't pass it. Fundamental tax reform studied
to death and nothing done.

The last 4 years have been little more than housekeeping with no major
programs advanced beyond committee.

Don

DonSideB

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Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

"DonSideB" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:58:52 GMT, "Neil Gould"
wrote:

So, the GOP has its sins to pay for, but to claim they ever had a free
hand to implement their policies is ludicrous.

Just whose policies _were_ implemented, given that the Democrats couldn't
even get their policies presented for a vote? Get real.

No one's policies got implemented. Hardly anything at all has gotten
done other than bipartisan pork barrel spending.

Go ahead, name one major domestic program change since the original
tax cuts.

Social Security Reform died. Renewed offshore and inshore oil
exploration blocked. Medicare reform replaced by a prescription drug
program that was more than the GOP wanted but less than they feared
Dems might get if they didn't pass it. Fundamental tax reform studied
to death and nothing done.

The last 4 years have been little more than housekeeping with no major
programs advanced beyond committee.

Don


And this is a good thing. For an even better example look at the majority of
the Clinton administration. Dem in the White House and a mixed Congress.
Nothing major got passed and no one was really worried about anything
getting passed. The country had a great time and rode the dot com bubble for
about as long as any bubble could ever hold together.

Let's face it, the country is 276 years old do we really need any more laws?

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
t...
Recently, Don Tabor posted:

On 14 Nov 2006 16:18:53 -0800, "Marc Adler"
wrote:

I don't know how you can blame the Democrats since all three branches
of govt were dominated by Republicans.

To be fair, the GOP only really controlled the executive branch. That
being President Bush.

[...]

So, the GOP has its sins to pay for, but to claim they ever had a free
hand to implement their policies is ludicrous.

Just whose policies _were_ implemented, given that the Democrats couldn't
even get their policies presented for a vote? Get real.

Neil



A *******ization of the two which is pretty much what our government has
been since, well, forever.

Recently, Jim Macklin posted:

And let's not forget, the promises of 9/12 by the Democrats
to support the President and the troops took a back seat to
regaining power. Five years of Democrat politics lost the
war and won the Democrats back, marginally, the power in
Congress.

Will the people realize this when the attacks begin here in
a few weeks or will they blame Bush because he is the
President?

BTW, the President has been pretty much a powerless office
since the Budget Acts in 1970-72. The President can fight a
war for only a few days and then must seek Congressional
support.

You do realize that it's dangerous to fly with that stuff you're drinking,
don't you?

Neil

Truth serum?



"Neil Gould" wrote in message
t...
| Recently, Jim Macklin
posted:
|
| And let's not forget, the promises of 9/12 by the
Democrats
| to support the President and the troops took a back seat
to
| regaining power. Five years of Democrat politics lost
the
| war and won the Democrats back, marginally, the power in
| Congress.
|
| Will the people realize this when the attacks begin here
in
| a few weeks or will they blame Bush because he is the
| President?
|
| BTW, the President has been pretty much a powerless
office
| since the Budget Acts in 1970-72. The President can
fight a
| war for only a few days and then must seek Congressional
| support.
|
| You do realize that it's dangerous to fly with that stuff
you're drinking,
| don't you?
|
| Neil
|
|