Thrown out of an FBO...

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:13:09 +0000, Matt Whiting wrote:
If yours were practiced universally, all mankind would spend eternity in
Hell, which is much worse in both numbers and magnitude than anything
you mentioned above. That is what I call real damage and it occurs from
your religion.

Sorry Matt, but you have no truly objective proof of that... It seems that
every religious sect (i.e. Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Mormon, Jew,
Camel ****er, etc) thinks that the other sects are going to get the
basement level in the afterlife whereas only they are the "true believers"
and will be afforded the penthouse view... Odds are, most (if not all) of
them are wrong...

Grumman-581 wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:13:09 +0000, Matt Whiting wrote:

If yours were practiced universally, all mankind would spend eternity in
Hell, which is much worse in both numbers and magnitude than anything
you mentioned above. That is what I call real damage and it occurs from
your religion.


Sorry Matt, but you have no truly objective proof of that... It seems that
every religious sect (i.e. Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Mormon, Jew,
Camel ****er, etc) thinks that the other sects are going to get the
basement level in the afterlife whereas only they are the "true believers"
and will be afforded the penthouse view... Odds are, most (if not all) of
them are wrong...

And he has no objective proof that God encourages or even condones the
atrocities to which he makes reference.

Matt

I love this! YOU want PROOF. How freakin rich is that?

OK. I want PROOF that there is a god. Proof...not that "cause the bible says
so" crap.

mike

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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And he has no objective proof that God encourages or even condones the
atrocities to which he makes reference.

Matt

mike regish wrote:
I love this! YOU want PROOF. How freakin rich is that?

OK. I want PROOF that there is a god. Proof...not that "cause the bible says
so" crap.

I have at least as much proof as you have.

Matt

Not even close. You have nothing, zip, zilch, nada...

I have mountains of scientific data.

mike

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:
I love this! YOU want PROOF. How freakin rich is that?

OK. I want PROOF that there is a god. Proof...not that "cause the bible
says so" crap.

I have at least as much proof as you have.

Matt

mike regish wrote:

Not even close. You have nothing, zip, zilch, nada...

I have mountains of scientific data.

Wow, I've never heard that one before.

Matt

And that surprises you?

mike

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:

Not even close. You have nothing, zip, zilch, nada...

I have mountains of scientific data.

Wow, I've never heard that one before.

Matt

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:22:11 +0000, Matt Whiting wrote:
And he has no objective proof that God encourages or even condones the
atrocities to which he makes reference.

Well, it appears to me at least that if a diety is supposedly classified
as "all powerful" and "all knowing", that diety must in fact condone any
attrocities that might occur since he/she/it could prevent them from
occurring if he/she/it so desired... So, one could argue that this diety
is either not all powerful and all knowing or perhaps the diety just
doesn't care what happens in this physical incarnation of our ethereal
essence... Personally, I suspect that all the existing religions are
wrong... The real truth might be a mix of some of them... Or perhaps is
totally unrelated to *any* of them... By the time we do know, it will be
too late... I have certain morals that I attempt to live my life by...
They don't necessarily conform to any one particular religion...
Basically, it boils down to, "Don't **** over your friends"... Enemies, on
the other hand, are fair game... evil-grin

Grumman-581 wrote in
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Sorry Matt, but you have no truly objective proof of that... It seems
that every religious sect (i.e. Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Mormon,
Jew, Camel ****er, etc) thinks that the other sects are going to get the
basement level in the afterlife whereas only they are the "true
believers" and will be afforded the penthouse view... Odds are, most (if
not all) of them are wrong...

Actually, you're wrong.

Jews believe that non-Jews are welcomed into the world to come, assuming
they uphold certain basic morays. In fact, some non-Jews are at the highest
levels of the World to Come, and spend eternity studying and learning with
the greatest Rabbis and Forefathers of the Jewish people.

Additionally, Jews don't look to convert others to Judaism. In fact, they
discourage conversion, and some conversions from more "modernized" sects
are even rejected by the more Orthodox groups.

As for whether the Jews are right or not, I don't know. Maybe Mike is right
with his Atheism. Or maybe the Muslims are right. Or maybe even those guys
who believe Bob is coming back in his spaceship are right. I can't say for
sure.

But at the end of the day, there are certain things in life that I see and
I can't explain. Divinity or Synchronicity - it's just a way of explaining
the unexplainable, and it's still a dogmatic belief system no matter which
side of it your on.

Every dogma has its fleas... But that doesn't make the whole dogma evil...

...there are certain things in life that I see and
I can't explain. Divinity or Synchronicity...

.... or perhaps just the way probability really works. Things that seem
improbable occur quite often, merely by chance. (this can be shown to
be true with pure numbers - no actual events are necessary)

Jose
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