Questions on VFR sectionals and TACs

Bob Noel writes:

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Christopher Brian Colohan wrote:

North of Boston you will find a large white-ground circle outlined by
a thick cyan dashed line.

Not anymore (look at the 74th edition of the NY sectional)

Heh. Don't have that one yet. :-)

The meaning of white ground or a thick cyan dashed line is not defined
in the chart legend, nor is it defined in the book you point at. Any
guess what this is? (And why the FAA thinks it is worth putting on
the chart, but not worth documenting what it means?)

On the 73rd edition of the NY sectional there is indeed a note
that P-67 is expanded by special notam.

I found the note, but only figured out what it was associated with
_after_ someone explained the dashed circle to me. I guess I find it
puzzling that there are symbols used on the map which don't appear in
any legend... (Especially when just adding them to the legend with a
description like "heavy cyan dashed line == TFR outline" would clear
everything up.)

Chris

In article ,
Christopher Brian Colohan wrote:

North of Boston you will find a large white-ground circle outlined by
a thick cyan dashed line.

Not anymore (look at the 74th edition of the NY sectional)

Heh. Don't have that one yet. :-)

I literally got it from the club a few hours earlier as he unpacked
the boxes. :-)

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Bob Noel writes:

I literally got it from the club a few hours earlier as he unpacked
the boxes. :-)

So is the actual purpose of that big area explained, or does it just
say that it's a (mysterious) restriction?

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Bob Noel writes:

I literally got it from the club a few hours earlier as he unpacked
the boxes. :-)

So is the actual purpose of that big area explained, or does it just
say that it's a (mysterious) restriction?


It IS a "mysterious" restriction. It is a direct result of political
paranoia. We have many politicos who think that some guy out tooling around
in his Cessna 150 is going to decide to go out in a burst of glory and fly
his little Cessna into said politicos backside.

It is interesting. We have car bombs, roadside bombs, truck bombs, and
other homemade of purchased bombs going off every day around the world.
Nowhere have I ever heard of a Cessna 150 bomb!

Our congress has cars and trucks blasing by the building all day and all
night of all sizes, none of which have passed through any kind of security
screening and any of which could be a massive bomb. The congress critturs
ignore all that.
Then some poor idiot in a Cessna 150 doesn't read the news or check the
charts or call flight service before takeoff and wanders around over
Washington, DC and they all panic and evacuate congress.

Think about that. These are the people who are running our country!

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

Highflyer writes:

Think about that. These are the people who are running our country!

Then they must be the people we elected. Think about that.

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Highflyer writes:

Think about that. These are the people who are running our country!

Then they must be the people we elected. Think about that.


Oh yeah, of coarse your are right. Politics are just as simple as flying a
sim.

Maxwell writes:

Oh yeah, of coarse your are right. Politics are just as simple as flying a
sim.

You get exactly what you vote for (or what you fail to vote for). No amount
of ill-considered, sophomoric wit will change that.

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Highflyer wrote:
It is interesting. We have car bombs, roadside bombs, truck bombs, and
other homemade of purchased bombs going off every day around the world.
Nowhere have I ever heard of a Cessna 150 bomb!

There was that one jackass that flew his cessna (I don't know
what model) into the side of the White House. I'm certain he
was violating restricted airspace.

The other question is: If you were to take a 150, load it up with
fuel, misc minor equipment, how much explosive could you get on there?

I guess it would be in the neighborhood of 250 pounds or so, which is
enough to make me nervous. It certainly wouldn't be an "Oklahoma
City" bomb, though. I guess if you plotted it all out well, you could
manage more. Not that I've thought about the logistics much, I just
think it's moderately low on the risk scale.

Erik wrote:
Highflyer wrote:
It is interesting. We have car bombs, roadside bombs, truck bombs,
and other homemade of purchased bombs going off every day around the
world. Nowhere have I ever heard of a Cessna 150 bomb!

There was that one jackass that flew his cessna (I don't know
what model) into the side of the White House. I'm certain he
was violating restricted airspace.

The other question is: If you were to take a 150, load it up with
fuel, misc minor equipment, how much explosive could you get on there?

I guess it would be in the neighborhood of 250 pounds or so, which is
enough to make me nervous. It certainly wouldn't be an "Oklahoma
City" bomb, though. I guess if you plotted it all out well, you could
manage more. Not that I've thought about the logistics much, I just
think it's moderately low on the risk scale.

It is very low risk mainly because there are so many easier ways to get X
amount of explosives on target.

I would expect that there is much more chance that if a terrorist were to do
so the target of the attack would not be where the explosives went but GA
itself.

All terrorists don't come from sand land. There are those that will do
stupid, evil crap for just about any cause. And if you look at some of the
anti-aviation groups that are out there it is just a matter of time till one
of them does something really stupid.

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

All terrorists don't come from sand land. There are those that will do
stupid, evil crap for just about any cause. And if you look at some of the
anti-aviation groups that are out there it is just a matter of time till one
of them does something really stupid.

Like bulldozing an airport?

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