Questions on VFR sectionals and TACs

Erik writes:

There was that one jackass that flew his cessna (I don't know
what model) into the side of the White House. I'm certain he
was violating restricted airspace.

The other question is: If you were to take a 150, load it up with
fuel, misc minor equipment, how much explosive could you get on there?

I guess it would be in the neighborhood of 250 pounds or so, which is
enough to make me nervous.

Then consider this: How much poison gas or biological poison could you load
into a Cessna?

See, if you fill it with explosive, and they shoot you down, you explode
harmlessly in the air. If you fill it with CBW agents, and they shoot you
down, they do your job for you by spreading the agents all over the place. So
whether they shoot you down or not, you accomplish your mission. And you can
be over your target much faster than they can scramble to shoot you down.

There's no way to prevent this, short of preventing aircraft from taking off
in the first place.

However, it's just as easy to do this with a vehicle, and since vehicles
already have practically unrestricted access to all the juicy targets, along
with more capacity and less surveillance, why bother with an aircraft?

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Erik writes:

There was that one jackass that flew his cessna (I don't know
what model) into the side of the White House. I'm certain he
was violating restricted airspace.

The other question is: If you were to take a 150, load it up with
fuel, misc minor equipment, how much explosive could you get on there?

I guess it would be in the neighborhood of 250 pounds or so, which is
enough to make me nervous.

Then consider this: How much poison gas or biological poison could you load
into a Cessna?

See, if you fill it with explosive, and they shoot you down, you explode
harmlessly in the air. If you fill it with CBW agents, and they shoot you
down, they do your job for you by spreading the agents all over the place. So
whether they shoot you down or not, you accomplish your mission. And you can
be over your target much faster than they can scramble to shoot you down.

There's no way to prevent this, short of preventing aircraft from taking off
in the first place.

However, it's just as easy to do this with a vehicle, and since vehicles
already have practically unrestricted access to all the juicy targets, along
with more capacity and less surveillance, why bother with an aircraft?

Dispensing air born chemical or biological weapons takes a fair amount
of sophistication in both the substance and the dispensing mechanism
to cause any significant damage.

Contrary to the breathless scenes in movies and on TV, blowing something
up in midair is a **** poor dispenser of such chemicals.

Take the Tokyo Sarin gas attack on the subway system; 5 coordinated
attacks in an enclosed area with tens ofthousands of people and they
only managed to kill 12, severly injure 50, and irritate about 1000.

A single drop of Sarin can kill an adult, but in spite of having
5 liters of the stuff, not a whole lot of damage was done.

They could have killed and injured far more with a simple bomb.

--
Jim Pennino

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Erik writes:

There was that one jackass that flew his cessna (I don't know
what model) into the side of the White House. I'm certain he
was violating restricted airspace.

The other question is: If you were to take a 150, load it up with
fuel, misc minor equipment, how much explosive could you get on there?

I guess it would be in the neighborhood of 250 pounds or so, which is
enough to make me nervous.

Then consider this: How much poison gas or biological poison could you
load
into a Cessna?

See, if you fill it with explosive, and they shoot you down, you explode
harmlessly in the air. If you fill it with CBW agents, and they shoot you
down, they do your job for you by spreading the agents all over the place.
So
whether they shoot you down or not, you accomplish your mission. And you
can
be over your target much faster than they can scramble to shoot you down.

There's no way to prevent this, short of preventing aircraft from taking
off
in the first place.

However, it's just as easy to do this with a vehicle, and since vehicles
already have practically unrestricted access to all the juicy targets,
along
with more capacity and less surveillance, why bother with an aircraft?



Yeah, just last week Lowe's was giving away 50 lb. bags of anthrax when you
bought a new dusing attachment for any popular Cessan or Piper model.

Erik wrote:

There was that one jackass that flew his cessna (I don't know
what model) into the side of the White House. I'm certain he
was violating restricted airspace.

1. It was a 150.
2. It never got anywhere near the building, it smacked into a tree
(and didn't do much damage to it) on the grounds.
3. He was violating the class B airspace and a prohibited area.

I guess it would be in the neighborhood of 250 pounds or so, which is
enough to make me nervous. It certainly wouldn't be an "Oklahoma
City" bomb, though.

It wouldn't even get as good as loading up a jeep with over 1000 lbs
of stuff and four-wheeling it in close.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m...
: Erik wrote:
:
: There was that one jackass that flew his cessna (I don't know
: what model) into the side of the White House. I'm certain he
: was violating restricted airspace.
:
: 1. It was a 150.
: 2. It never got anywhere near the building, it smacked into a tree
: (and didn't do much damage to it) on the grounds.
: 3. He was violating the class B airspace and a prohibited area.
:
: I guess it would be in the neighborhood of 250 pounds or so, which is
: enough to make me nervous. It certainly wouldn't be an "Oklahoma
: City" bomb, though.
:
: It wouldn't even get as good as loading up a jeep with over 1000 lbs
: of stuff and four-wheeling it in close.

I remember the pictures. The plane made it to the White House walls:

Startled uniformed Secret Service officers at the White House saw the descending plane at 1:49 a.m. and ducked for
cover. The plane crashed onto the South Lawn of the White House, skidded, slammed through the hedge and clipped the tree
before it hit a wall on the west side of the mansion.



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