OT for Kevin or anyone

boB wrote:
Tom Frey wrote:


Hi boB,

Have you considered a home built sim? It's amazingly simple to link to the
PC using the game port. Four potentiometers and a game port plug, and the
rest is as simple as building a custom lawn chair. A lot of fun for just a
few bucks.


I think I bought MS Flight Simulator, and X-Plane software for mine. Maybe
$100 a copy or so, and not bad for a home grown ship.

Food for thought,

Tom



Thanks for replying Tom. And of course thanks to Kevin. I'm looking at
a few pre-built simulators, actually 2 of them are complete sets of
Helicopter controls, for not a lot of money. But you are right,
building one wouldn't cost a lot.


Let us know how that goes.

What if any good pc based helicopter simulators are any good?

JohnO wrote:


Let us know how that goes.

What if any good pc based helicopter simulators are any good?


I've only flown MS's FS2002 and FS9 helicopters so I don't have any
experience with any other Sims. FS9 is not near realistic but I've read
that DODO Sim
http://www.dodosim.com/reviews.html
has tweaked a Bell 206 to realistically display Settling With Power,
Torque effect, Hot Starts, etc. I haven't bought it so I can't say much
about it. I do know I can neutralize my pedals, take my feet off
completely, and fly a traffic pattern in the FS9 Bell 206. Sometimes
the landing has some ground speed and my nose is not always lined up but
at any rate it's not realistic.

I did read at Hovercontrol.com they have had helicopter student pilots
who took the Hovercontrol Helicopter instruction course and then
actually hovered an actual helicopter with only 3 hours of real world
instruction. I don't know, it took me a bit longer than that, but if
true it says there is some benefit to FS9 as a training device for
procedures at least. Some rote knowledge of how the controls work I guess.

With the meds I'm taking my flying days may be over but I'm still hoping
to someday buy a GyroPlane and do some cross country exploring. My Army
retirement and my disability pay doesn't make me rich but then again,
maybe some day.......

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boB

completely, and fly a traffic pattern in the FS9 Bell 206. Sometimes
the landing has some ground speed and my nose is not always lined up but
at any rate it's not realistic.

I used X-Plane for some IFR training - but with a plane. I could "fly"
the included R22 for about 5s - seems pretty realistic. But I only had a
mouse and a keyboard for collective, no pedals.
The Blackhawk is much easier to fly.

There's also a Osprey included!
And you can customize all aircraft and build your own including airfoils
and panels.

boB wrote:
JohnO wrote:


Let us know how that goes.

What if any good pc based helicopter simulators are any good?


I've only flown MS's FS2002 and FS9 helicopters so I don't have any
experience with any other Sims. FS9 is not near realistic but I've read
that DODO Sim
http://www.dodosim.com/reviews.html
has tweaked a Bell 206 to realistically display Settling With Power,
Torque effect, Hot Starts, etc. I haven't bought it so I can't say much
about it. I do know I can neutralize my pedals, take my feet off
completely, and fly a traffic pattern in the FS9 Bell 206. Sometimes
the landing has some ground speed and my nose is not always lined up but
at any rate it's not realistic.

I did read at Hovercontrol.com they have had helicopter student pilots
who took the Hovercontrol Helicopter instruction course and then
actually hovered an actual helicopter with only 3 hours of real world
instruction. I don't know, it took me a bit longer than that, but if
true it says there is some benefit to FS9 as a training device for
procedures at least. Some rote knowledge of how the controls work I guess.

With the meds I'm taking my flying days may be over but I'm still hoping
to someday buy a GyroPlane and do some cross country exploring. My Army
retirement and my disability pay doesn't make me rich but then again,
maybe some day.......


Hey boB, surely you can still fly as long as you have a suitably rated
co-pilot?

JohnO wrote:



Hey boB, surely you can still fly as long as you have a suitably rated
co-pilot?



It's the pain meds I take. I could quit the drugs and fly again OK, just
with a lot of pain.

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boB
copter.six

boB wrote:

It's the pain meds I take. I could quit the drugs and fly again OK, just
with a lot of pain.

Oh come on Bob.

Fly stoned.

Thousands of ex Vietname helicopter jocks can't be wrong.

Shiver wrote:
boB wrote:

It's the pain meds I take. I could quit the drugs and fly again OK, just
with a lot of pain.

Oh come on Bob.

Fly stoned.

Thousands of ex Vietname helicopter jocks can't be wrong.


Actually we did in Korea. Well if you count ingesting generous amounts
of alcohol as stoned. The early 70's in the 2nd ID, Camp Casey was a
trip in itself.

Rule. 5 UH-1s plus 5 PIC's had to be ready for take-off within 15
minutes. The Co-pilot could drink as much as he wanted. After 1 am or
so the PIC's were almost incapacitated.

In addition 4 AH-1Gs had to be armed and ready to escort the UH-1s. No
where in the rule did it say we couldn't drink. I guess they forgot.

There's a bunch of war stories there but I'm sure you can picture it.
Besides, Vietnam is where the REAL war stories come from.

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boB
copter.six

Consider this: http://www.heli-chair.com/

Linc

boB wrote:
JohnO wrote:


Let us know how that goes.

What if any good pc based helicopter simulators are any good?


I've only flown MS's FS2002 and FS9 helicopters so I don't have any
experience with any other Sims. FS9 is not near realistic but I've read
that DODO Sim
http://www.dodosim.com/reviews.html
has tweaked a Bell 206 to realistically display Settling With Power,
Torque effect, Hot Starts, etc. I haven't bought it so I can't say much
about it. I do know I can neutralize my pedals, take my feet off
completely, and fly a traffic pattern in the FS9 Bell 206. Sometimes
the landing has some ground speed and my nose is not always lined up but
at any rate it's not realistic.

I did read at Hovercontrol.com they have had helicopter student pilots
who took the Hovercontrol Helicopter instruction course and then
actually hovered an actual helicopter with only 3 hours of real world
instruction. I don't know, it took me a bit longer than that, but if
true it says there is some benefit to FS9 as a training device for
procedures at least. Some rote knowledge of how the controls work I guess.

With the meds I'm taking my flying days may be over but I'm still hoping
to someday buy a GyroPlane and do some cross country exploring. My Army
retirement and my disability pay doesn't make me rich but then again,
maybe some day.......

--

boB

Linc wrote:

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ACTUALLY FOLKS ----- I'm very surprised when I see people using the
same old RC radios that have been around for decades.

I always found it difficult to use those little twiddle sticks on a
futaba radio while trying to determine whether or not my plane was
flying straight and level or upside down.

I think that chair idea coupled to a RC helicopter is fantastic.

If somebody makes a similar system for RC planes I'd like to see a link
for it.

In my younger days I once watched a tape that showed a small closed
circuit TV camera being used on a RC plane with the pilot sitting at a
console kinda like the pilots of UAVs do know.

I was impressed with that but over the years I never saw an indication
of the technology being used at a more mainstream level.

Linc wrote:
Consider this: http://www.heli-chair.com/

Linc



That's something I've never seen before..... Thanks for posting that.
I wonder if it really works...

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boB