To the R-22 buzzing Sea Cliff Golf Course

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:22:12 -0800, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net wrote:

On 22 Nov 2006 09:08:14 -0800, wrote:



On Nov 19, 2:46 am, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego skiddz "AT" adelphia
"DOT" net wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:12:04 GMT, Stan Switek

wrote:
11-17-2006 approx 1350 hours:

To the pilot of the yellow & red R-22 buzzing Sea Cliff Golf Course &
the surrounding homes at 50 to 100' agl, what you did is in violation
of the FAR's & very unsafe. Your info has been forwarded to the FAA.Damn, they saw me!!

Where's Sea Cliff Golf Course again??

And what FAR's would that be?..I'm curious....

91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes. Paragraph d in particular. It all
comes down to whether or not the "...operation is conducted without
hazard to persons or rpoperty on the surface."

Im going to go out on a limb here & guess 30 knots at 50' agl is no
beuno according to the HVC in the POH for the R-22. I'll also guess
the FAA frowns upon those who repeatedly fly 50' over the roofs of
houses & golf course club houses full of people for no purpose other
than showing off. Sounds like a violation of 91.13a Careless or
reckless operation to me.

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc

Stan Switek wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:22:12 -0800, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego
skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net wrote:

On 22 Nov 2006 09:08:14 -0800, wrote:



On Nov 19, 2:46 am, The OTHER Kevin in San Diego skiddz "AT" adelphia
"DOT" net wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:12:04 GMT, Stan Switek

wrote:
11-17-2006 approx 1350 hours:

To the pilot of the yellow & red R-22 buzzing Sea Cliff Golf Course &
the surrounding homes at 50 to 100' agl, what you did is in violation
of the FAR's & very unsafe. Your info has been forwarded to the FAA.Damn, they saw me!!

Where's Sea Cliff Golf Course again??

And what FAR's would that be?..I'm curious....

91.119 - Minimum Safe Altitudes. Paragraph d in particular. It all
comes down to whether or not the "...operation is conducted without
hazard to persons or rpoperty on the surface."

Im going to go out on a limb here & guess 30 knots at 50' agl is no
beuno according to the HVC in the POH for the R-22. I'll also guess
the FAA frowns upon those who repeatedly fly 50' over the roofs of
houses & golf course club houses full of people for no purpose other
than showing off. Sounds like a violation of 91.13a Careless or
reckless operation to me.

On 23 Nov 2006 05:59:55 -0800, "Linc" wrote:

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc
No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.

Stan Switek wrote:
On 23 Nov 2006 05:59:55 -0800, "Linc" wrote:

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc
No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.

If it was TV, then like Kevin said, I would've expected they would
discuss their plans with the FSDO to head off complaints. Of course, I
would also expect a notice by the course to the nearby homeowners.

Linc

On 24 Nov 2006 06:04:18 -0800, "Linc" wrote:


Stan Switek wrote:
On 23 Nov 2006 05:59:55 -0800, "Linc" wrote:

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc
No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.

If it was TV, then like Kevin said, I would've expected they would
discuss their plans with the FSDO to head off complaints. Of course, I
would also expect a notice by the course to the nearby homeowners.

Linc

Any of us that have flown over a golf course knows that most course
lay outs, for the purpose of TV fliming, would allow approaches &
departures along the fairways till a safe altitude is reached. I see
no need to fly over homes at low level. Doing so only invites trouble.

I know the course in question. The PGA, LPGA, Champions & Nationwide
Tours do not play there. It is a private course near the beach
surrounded by residential homes. Very expensive homes.

Videographer filming for a video brochure for the golf course or a
gated community, then? Or photographer for the same?

Stan is probably correct in his assumption that it was a joyrider. I'm
just trying to determine if there could possibly be a legitimate reason
for the pilot to be doing that at all, and I have to wonder if Stan did
the same, or if he just saw something and immediately concluded the
pilot was totally wrong.

Linc

Biff Tannen wrote:
On 24 Nov 2006 06:04:18 -0800, "Linc" wrote:


Stan Switek wrote:
On 23 Nov 2006 05:59:55 -0800, "Linc" wrote:

Are they broadcasting a competition from that course, soon? They always
seem to show helicopter views of the hole being previewed. It gives a
great idea of the length, the lay, the position of the obstacles and
the position of the hole on the green in about 5-10 seconds, and it
always appears to be done from treetop level.

Linc
No.... This was buzz job plain & simple. But even it was, TV is not
exempt from the FAR's.

If it was TV, then like Kevin said, I would've expected they would
discuss their plans with the FSDO to head off complaints. Of course, I
would also expect a notice by the course to the nearby homeowners.

Linc

Any of us that have flown over a golf course knows that most course
lay outs, for the purpose of TV fliming, would allow approaches &
departures along the fairways till a safe altitude is reached. I see
no need to fly over homes at low level. Doing so only invites trouble.

I know the course in question. The PGA, LPGA, Champions & Nationwide
Tours do not play there. It is a private course near the beach
surrounded by residential homes. Very expensive homes.