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Old November 23rd 06, 10:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tony
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Default Do sim pilots log their time?

Instrument Rated pilots don't land on the gauges, they use visual
reference.

I am one who supports practicing, with a safety pilot of course, flying
an ILS all the way to touchdown a couple of times a year (you know the
drill -- start backing off throttle at the MM, give up on glide slope,
keep the localizer centered, feel ground effect, flare and touch down).
Don't do it in a crosswind. Knowing you can gives you one more tool
should conditions really turn to crap in real life.



On Nov 23, 4:54 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jay Honeck writes:
Yet, even when I downloaded his current aircraft, and set him up at his
home airport, he was not able to land on the runway. The only thing I
can think of is that he apparently flies his real aircraft "by feel"
more than most of us do, and the simulator obviously is lacking in
"feel", since it is not a full-motion sim.Yup. Put him in a full-motion sim, and I'm sure he'll be able to land

effortlessly. Turn off the motion in the full-motion sim, and you'll
probably see the same problems you're seeing in your sim.

Does this pilot ever fly IFR?

It will be interesting to see if the new computer system I've ordered
-- which will help to make the sim experience as realistic as possible
-- helps the situation, or if it's strictly a motion-related problem
that can't be resolved.Instrument-rated pilots apparently resolve it.


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Old November 24th 06, 03:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Tony writes:

Instrument Rated pilots don't land on the gauges, they use visual
reference.


What is Category III c?

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Old November 24th 06, 04:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Tony writes:


Instrument Rated pilots don't land on the gauges, they use visual
reference.



What is Category III c?





Not relavant to this newsgroup. And even if it was a pilot isn't
landing a Cat 3c airplane, the computer is.
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Old November 24th 06, 05:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Newps writes:

Not relavant to this newsgroup.


Instrument approaches and landings are not relevant to a piloting
newsgroup? Why?

And even if it was a pilot isn't landing a Cat 3c airplane, the computer is.


Then why does the pilot have to be instrument rated?

How many times have you landed in zero visibility? You don't just
push a button.

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Old November 24th 06, 02:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote in
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And even if it was a pilot isn't landing a Cat 3c airplane, the
computer is.


Then why does the pilot have to be instrument rated?

How many times have you landed in zero visibility? You don't just
push a button.


In Cat IIIC you do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_Landing_System
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Old November 24th 06, 04:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Morgans[_2_]
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How many times have you landed in zero visibility? You don't just
push a button.


In Cat IIIC you do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_Landing_System


He was wrong again. At least that is a consistent thing, for him.
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Old November 24th 06, 07:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Judah
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"Morgans" wrote in news:zVE9h.201$Th4.128
@newsfe07.lga:

How many times have you landed in zero visibility? You don't just
push a button.


In Cat IIIC you do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_Landing_System


He was wrong again. At least that is a consistent thing, for him.


Yeah... He is quite a phenomenon.

I have killfiled him, but when he makes a stupid one-liner remark that is
easily and factually refuted with a link, I just can't help myself.
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Old November 24th 06, 05:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Judah writes:

In Cat IIIC you do.


No, you don't. There's quite a procedure to carry out an autolanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_Landing_System


Did you by any chance check to see who wrote this article?

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Old November 24th 06, 07:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Newps writes:


Not relavant to this newsgroup.



Instrument approaches and landings are not relevant to a piloting
newsgroup? Why?


Not Cat 3c.




And even if it was a pilot isn't landing a Cat 3c airplane, the computer is.



Then why does the pilot have to be instrument rated?

How many times have you landed in zero visibility? You don't just
push a button.


Yes, you do. It's required. Cat 3c is an autoland. The pilot is there
to monitor the electronics. He does not land the plane.
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Old November 25th 06, 01:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Newps writes:

Not Cat 3c.


Why? All instrument approaches are flown by pilots, including Cat
IIIc.

Yes, you do. It's required. Cat 3c is an autoland. The pilot is there
to monitor the electronics. He does not land the plane.


He doesn't autoland by pushing a button. There's quite a checklist.
In fact, it appears to be similar in workload to a visual approach,
except that the time is spent configuring the FMC or autopilot rather
than manipulating the yoke or pedals. And with zero visibility and/or
generally bad weather, the stress factor is certainly an additional
workload.

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