Various ATC questions

Jose writes:

Point taken. (But in that case, you could simply ask at the time.)

Sometimes they are really busy.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

Show me a plate that does, and we'll discuss it.

The LOGAN THREE IFR departure from Logan International says,
literatim, on page two:

"Climb on assigned heading, thence ... expect vectors to assigned
ROUTE/NAVAID/FIX."

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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Good questions there Craig. How on earth did you think them up? They are
so good that the US government has written a book that covers these and many
other questions. Here's a link http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/ if after you
have read through you have follow up questions we'll be here.

If the only purpose of this group is to answer questions that are not
answered elsewhere, then the group need not exist, because _all_
questions are answered elsewhere.

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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

No you don't have to read everything but in this and all groups it is nice
if you Google and see if the info is readily available before you ask.

Which manual answers my specific questions?

The real reason I answered as I did was there was one time that MX was given a
link to an FAA publication and then came back and pretty much said what was
in the manual was wrong. I wish I could find that message but I don't
remember the specific topic and MX has so many posts that I could hope to
find it.

Uh-huh.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Good questions there Craig. How on earth did you think them up? They are
so good that the US government has written a book that covers these and many
other questions. Here's a link http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/ if after you
have read through you have follow up questions we'll be here.

If the only purpose of this group is to answer questions that are not
answered elsewhere, then the group need not exist, because _all_
questions are answered elsewhere.

What makes you think this group exists to answer your or anyone's else
questions? The point is that you should attempt to look at the
references and learn something before you come here and ask these
questions. Do some of the work yourself and you will receive much
better treatment here.

John Theune writes:

The point is that you should attempt to look at the
references and learn something before you come here and ask these
questions.

I do.

Do some of the work yourself and you will receive much
better treatment here.

No, I won't. That's not the part that irritates (some) people.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
John Theune writes:

The point is that you should attempt to look at the
references and learn something before you come here and ask these
questions.

I do.

Judging from some of a lot of the questions and comments you've
made in this group to date, I can guarantee that you either haven't
read them, or are fooling yourself into believing you have read them.
Either way, go back and read them.

Do some of the work yourself and you will receive much
better treatment here.

No, I won't. That's not the part that irritates (some) people.

Then you get what you deserve. If you don't want to be bothered
with doing the work and reading the published material out there, then
don't expect to be greeted nicely with questions that aren't a) already
have been frequently asked, b) haven't already been answered before in
the 15+ years this newsgroup has been around, and c) you already think
are wrong.

If you want to ask questions, rec.aviation.student and
rec.aviation.simulators are all further down the street.

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In article ,
says...


FromTheShadows,

Ok, let's give this a try. For those not following all threads: This is
a try by FromTheShadows (real names have a nice touch of honesty and
responsibility to them, BTW - if you won't stand by your words with your
name, what are they worth?) to get answers to questions he thinks are
valuable for the group despite having been originally posted by
you-know-who. His solution is to repost them under his name. For the
sake of the experiment, I will be very happy to answer any questions and
comments - except those from you-know-who.



So, in addition to Mx, we now have Mx proxys as well!
Soon we'll have Mx's lawyers here, just to argue the fine points.

These questions are fine, except for two things:
1) If you're going to fly IFR, you have to study the rules a bit. It's not
that hard, but it is indispensible. You will quickly learn, in this case,
that a clearance limit and/or EFC, or "what happens next" is always part of
a clearance. If it isn't, you're supposed to ask for it. So, inundating the
discussion group with questions that would have been answered in five
minutes worth of reading is, well, not a very nice thing to do.

2)The one who does try to answer will be led down a garden path (thorny
garden) of follow-up questions and challenges to his answers, which in most
cases will end with his failure to follow some twist in the maniacal path,
which will bring the conclusion, even if he is a commercial pilot, flying
IFR every day, that he is just "blowing smoke". The pilot, who thought he
was helping out by applying his experience to answer a seemingly simple
question, suddenly wakes up and realizes he has spend hours of his time,
only to be accused of knowing nothing, by someone who initially introduced
himself as knowing nothing.


If this pattern had not been established and repeated countless times, then
no one would get cross about answering these seemingly simple questions.

GF

FromTheShadows,

I'm not trying to be combative here


I didn't think you were.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

No you don't have to read everything but in this and all groups it is
nice
if you Google and see if the info is readily available before you ask.

Which manual answers my specific questions?


You didn't even look at the link provided. That is just about par for the
course. In this case it was the AIM.