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Is it possible to switch from VFR to IFR and back?



 
 
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Old November 28th 06, 03:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Ron Garret writes:

So? That just shows that your sim isn't very good.


What happens when you let go of the controls on your Baron for 40
minutes?

Your other sources are wrong.


They are all wrong, but you are right?

You'll need a real airplane. Your sim is not adequate.


How do you know?

For some level of "constant" that is correct. You can leave it alone
for seconds to minutes, but not tens of minutes (unless you have an
autopilot and are willing to bet your life on its proper operation).


I'll have to try it.

It's not out of the question that all your sim experience would make you
a better IFR pilot than one who trained in a real airplane. Come to LA
and we'll find out.


As soon as I win the lottery.

When your gaze was going back and forth between the chart and the AI and
you forgot to look at the altimeter. (Go back a re-read the scenario.)


Why would the altimeter change? I was in level flight, nicely
trimmed.

Of course. Why would you doubt it?


Different aircraft behave in different ways.

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Old November 28th 06, 04:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

So? That just shows that your sim isn't very good.


What happens when you let go of the controls on your Baron for 40
minutes?


I don't fly a baron, but I guarantee you that you will be dead.

Your other sources are wrong.


They are all wrong, but you are right?


Yes.

You'll need a real airplane. Your sim is not adequate.


How do you know?


575 hours of flying real airplanes.

It's not out of the question that all your sim experience would make you
a better IFR pilot than one who trained in a real airplane. Come to LA
and we'll find out.


As soon as I win the lottery.


Lousy excuse. You can fly round trip from Paris to LA for less than
$650.

rg
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Old November 28th 06, 06:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Ron Garret writes:

I don't fly a baron, but I guarantee you that you will be dead.


Well, I simulated it. Ninety minutes in heavy turbulence with the
autopilot off, with the aircraft trimmed for straight and level
flight. Throttles were set to allow for neutral elevator trim.

The aircraft bounced around a lot, but it lost only 200 feet in
altitude, and apparently it intended to stay there. It burned about a
quarter of its fuel. It held very approximately a straight line to
the southeast, although it drifted back and forth by 10-20 miles at a
time. Despite turbulence that sometimes had the aircraft rolling by
20 degrees or more, it remained level overall. There was no tendency
for it to flip over.

This is pretty much what I expected. Offhand, I can't see any reason
why an aircraft would suddenly destabilize itself and spin out of
control.

At the time I stopped it, it was about 1000 feet above rising terrain
(the mountains were coming up, but the aircraft was at a constant
altitude).

575 hours of flying real airplanes.


How much time have you spent with a simulator?

Lousy excuse. You can fly round trip from Paris to LA for less than
$650.


That's a month's net pay, if things go well.

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Old November 28th 06, 07:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

I don't fly a baron, but I guarantee you that you will be dead.


Well, I simulated it.


I hate to be the one to break this to you kid (and I say this with a
certain irony because I know I'm not the first person to tell you this)
but your sim is not an accurate model of reality.

575 hours of flying real airplanes.


How much time have you spent with a simulator?


What difference does that make? This is not rec.aviation.simulators.
Context, son! Why so you have so much trouble with context?

Lousy excuse. You can fly round trip from Paris to LA for less than
$650.


That's a month's net pay, if things go well.


Really? That surprises me. You're obviously a bright person, and you
live in a modern industrialized country where the average annual income
is well over $20,000. And yet you make less than $8,000 a year? Even
more surprising, although your income places well below the poverty
level, you can still afford a computer, a flight simulator setup with
rudder pedals, internet access, and a whole lot of spare time to post to
newsgroups and play with your sim?

It's hard for me to believe that you couldn't scrape together $650
somehow. Take half the hours you spend on usenet and your sim and go
work at a McDonald's and you'll have $650 saved before you know it.
I'll wait.

rg
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Old November 28th 06, 03:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...
Really? That surprises me. You're obviously a bright person, and you
live in a modern industrialized country where the average annual income
is well over $20,000. And yet you make less than $8,000 a year? Even
more surprising, although your income places well below the poverty
level, you can still afford a computer, a flight simulator setup with
rudder pedals, internet access, and a whole lot of spare time to post to
newsgroups and play with your sim?

It's hard for me to believe that you couldn't scrape together $650
somehow. Take half the hours you spend on usenet and your sim and go
work at a McDonald's and you'll have $650 saved before you know it.
I'll wait.

rg


He also owns at least 2 domains. One at mxsmaniac.com and the one below
which I assume is his real name.


Visit http://atkielski.com/ for everything you ever wanted to know about mxs
but were afraid to ask.


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Old November 28th 06, 03:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Visit http://atkielski.com/ for everything you ever wanted to know about mxs
but were afraid to ask.



Interesting site...
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Old November 28th 06, 04:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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B,

Interesting site...


Interesting blog...

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Old November 28th 06, 05:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Ron Garret writes:

I hate to be the one to break this to you kid (and I say this with a
certain irony because I know I'm not the first person to tell you this)
but your sim is not an accurate model of reality.


List the relevant differences in the context of this discussion.

What difference does that make?


A great deal, especially since you seem to underestimate them.

If I am unqualified to speak of real flight because I don't have some
arbitrary number of hours of experience as a real pilot, what
qualifies you to speak of simulation if you don't have some equally
arbitrary number of hours working with simulators?

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Old November 28th 06, 06:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:


I hate to be the one to break this to you kid (and I say this with a
certain irony because I know I'm not the first person to tell you this)
but your sim is not an accurate model of reality.



List the relevant differences in the context of this discussion.



You've got to be kidding.





What difference does that make?



If I am unqualified to speak of real flight because I don't have some
arbitrary number of hours




Nothing arbitrary about zero.






of experience as a real pilot, what
qualifies you to speak of simulation if you don't have some equally
arbitrary number of hours working with simulators?


We've all played on a flight sim.
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Old November 28th 06, 06:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Newps writes:

You've got to be kidding.


I don't kid.

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