Is the pilot license needed...?

"not be unsafe"? What is not unsafe about piloting a plane without a
license? Would you say that an 18-wheeler truck driver is safe, even if he
has never held a CDL? The public purpose is to stop any old yahoo from
grabbing the keys to their friends plane and launching off. I cannot
understand your post, it's as if you don't think and unlicensed person
should face any penalty for knowingly endangering himself, others and
property, all with no insurance.
Your example is a diversion. If the student pilot were such a hotshot, he
would have completed the written and the checkride and become legal. He
would also understand the reasons why he needed to take the checkride, and
the penalties for not doing so. Sigh, I do hope you are not a pilot or
aspiring pilot IRL, such an anti-authoritarian attitude is one of the 5
traits (look it up).... If you are, I hope you don't fly your Zenith
anywhere in TX.

Do you really believe that a truck driver should be able to drive an
18-wheeler without a CDL, and if
"TxSrv" wrote in message
. ..
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Criminal penalty for pilots operating in air transportation without an
airman's certificate

...if that individual-
(1) knowingly and willfully serves or attempts to serve in any capacity
as an airman operating an aircraft in air transportation without an
airman's certificate....

Perhaps why att'ys can charge good fees. "in air transportation" is
superfluous if the offense is merely "opearating." So, if solo and no
transport of cargo?

Who knows, but it seems Congress would [should] not intend to criminalize
something which may not be unsafe. And allow fed prosecutors to screw
people at their whim to no public purpose. For example, a real good
student stops the process short of the check ride and continues to fly.
With a fews yrs of meaningful exp, a good pilot, except for the idiot
part. Contrast to a very avg student who may even be an idiot in general,
and who passes the ride from an easier examiner, and subsequent exp is
neither frequent nor meaningful.

Fred F.

Barney, I'm going to say this very nicely because I assume you simply failed
to properly read the attributions. But as you can clearly see I never wrote
that flying without a license was not unsafe. I will expect your apology to
be promptly posted. But just in case you are still having problems I will
add some spaces so it will make it easier for you to understand.




"Barney Rubble" wrote in message
...
"not be unsafe"? What is not unsafe about piloting a plane without a
license? Would you say that an 18-wheeler truck driver is safe, even if he
has never held a CDL? The public purpose is to stop any old yahoo from
grabbing the keys to their friends plane and launching off. I cannot
understand your post, it's as if you don't think and unlicensed person
should face any penalty for knowingly endangering himself, others and
property, all with no insurance.
Your example is a diversion. If the student pilot were such a hotshot, he
would have completed the written and the checkride and become legal. He
would also understand the reasons why he needed to take the checkride, and
the penalties for not doing so. Sigh, I do hope you are not a pilot or
aspiring pilot IRL, such an anti-authoritarian attitude is one of the 5
traits (look it up).... If you are, I hope you don't fly your Zenith
anywhere in TX.

Do you really believe that a truck driver should be able to drive an
18-wheeler without a CDL, and if
"TxSrv" wrote in message
. ..
Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Criminal penalty for pilots operating in air transportation without an
airman's certificate

...if that individual-
(1) knowingly and willfully serves or attempts to serve in any capacity
as an airman operating an aircraft in air transportation without an
airman's certificate....

Perhaps why att'ys can charge good fees. "in air transportation" is
superfluous if the offense is merely "opearating." So, if solo and no
transport of cargo?

Who knows, but it seems Congress would [should] not intend to criminalize
something which may not be unsafe. And allow fed prosecutors to screw
people at their whim to no public purpose. For example, a real good
student stops the process short of the check ride and continues to fly.
With a fews yrs of meaningful exp, a good pilot, except for the idiot
part. Contrast to a very avg student who may even be an idiot in general,
and who passes the ride from an easier examiner, and subsequent exp is
neither frequent nor meaningful.

Fred F.

Barney Rubble writes:

"not be unsafe"? What is not unsafe about piloting a plane without a
license?

A license does not guarantee competence. Conversely, competence can
exist in the absence of a license.

While it is certainly generally true that unlicensed pilots are likely
to be less competent than licensed pilots, the presence or lack of a
license is no guarantee either way.

This is particularly true for someone who is a qualified pilot but has
no license due to a technicality. It's also true for someone who was
a licensed pilot but again lost his license due to a technicality (or
simply let something lapse).

It's very dangerous to equate licensing with competency.

Would you say that an 18-wheeler truck driver is safe, even if he
has never held a CDL?

There isn't any way of knowing, without testing his abilities.

The public purpose is to stop any old yahoo from
grabbing the keys to their friends plane and launching off. I cannot
understand your post, it's as if you don't think and unlicensed person
should face any penalty for knowingly endangering himself, others and
property, all with no insurance.

See above. It's dangerous to equate competency with licensing. They
are not the same thing, although the general intention is to try to
get them as congruent as possible.

If the student pilot were such a hotshot, he
would have completed the written and the checkride and become legal.

Not if he were excluded on a medical technicality (for example).

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"Barney Rubble" wrote

Would you say that an 18-wheeler truck driver is safe, even if he has never
held a CDL? The public purpose is to stop any old yahoo from grabbing the keys
to their friends plane and launching off.

I started driving a school bus, with a p endorsement on my regular driver's
license. I got that by taking a very simple test, and perhaps a few hours
training.

Enter the beginning of the CDL program. I got grandfathered into that, and now
hold a CDL, with a (m)ortorcycle, (p)assenger and (s)chool bus endorsements.

I am no better or worse driver when I got the CDL, than before.

It is possible that a person got a lot of training from flying with their
father, or as a passenger with a friend, or a military pilot that never got the
PPL instituted after he got out of the military. They all could have just as
much flight experience as a PPL holder, but not be legal.

I do not endorse such a way around the system, but it is possible to fly safely
without a formal certificate.
--
Jim in NC