Icing conditions

I have to agree Andrew..

I am convinced thatr somewhere behind "Mxmaniac" must be a tolerant
gentleman...

I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He
was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid"
category within some opinions here...

So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat...
(1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments,
controls and functions...

I saw him at the airport 3 months later..

He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at
about 6 hrs).....

So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot
someday...if they show an interest in aviation...

OK, maybe I just have a thick skin, or I just don't take myself very
seriously...

If anybody offends me, I just ignore them....they fade away after a
while... Mx has not offended me...

And I am NOT going to impress my opinion on others. I am not going to
encourage others to respond to him, and I must confess I am beginning
to tire of others (more than) suggesting that I (we) NOT respond to
him.

If anyone in this group offends me, I will determine it was not a
misunderstanding, make them aware, and move on. I feel no need to
blacklist anyone.

It was 30 some years ago when I was pumping "stupid" questions to a
pilot.. I am glad he was patient and encouraged me to keep
dreaming. But it was still some time before I could afford to train
to become a "real" pilot.

Cheers!

Dave




, I just move on On 29 Nov 2006 13:39:38 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote:

I am not sure why you guys are beating up the guy. He may not be a real
pilot, but I have not found his questions to be offensive, off-topic or
even ignorant. To the contrary, he has posed several questions in the
past that many of us were unable to answer, or revealed lack of
knowledge on our part. In those cases, it is the real pilots who I have
seen to misbehave. I can't recall Mxsmanic to have lost his cool
despite all the things that poeple call him.


A Lieberma wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in
:

Too many systems to explain here, read the POH or a good
training manual.

Talk about wasted advise.....

Mx doesn't even read the replies, much less anything he's been shown to
read like references or POHs.

Allen

Dave wrote in
:

I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He
was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid"
category within some opinions here...

So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat...
(1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments,
controls and functions...

I saw him at the airport 3 months later..

He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at
about 6 hrs).....

So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot
someday...if they show an interest in aviation...

Dave,

What you describe is great above. I have been there and done it myself,
and posted my experiences on a post "Why I fly" to the
rec.aviation.piloting and rec.aviation.student newsgroups.

Here is the difference between what you describe above and Mx.

Your flight simmer went to the airport with you. Your simmer got in the
plane with you. Your simmer signed up for lessons. YOUR SIMMER
APPRECIATED the time vested. The unasked question is the dumb question.

I will take a fence sitter up any chance I get so I can take away the
mystery of the magic of flight and welcome all dumb questions.

Now, let's talk a little about Mx.....

He badgers every reply.
He can't afford flying.
He says it's too dangerous.
The equipment in our planes are unreliable.
He needs to see the pilot fly before he would get in a plane with him
(How this will happen is beyond my comprehension).

His sim doesn't jive up with real world experiences, I.E human physiology
interacting with flight. He has no intention of getting in a plane. He
has no intention of learning the real world experiences, only badger the
repliers to his good questions with sim experiences that doesn't equate.
I.E leans in IMC vs getting so called dizzy sitting in front of a
computer monitor.

Again, questions raised by Mx is not the problem. Simmers posting
questions is not the problem. Arm chair pilots posting question is not
the problem

THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF RESPECT SHOWN BY MX for real world experiences
THAT CANNOT BE SIMULATED IN A SIM. I do make the assumption you fly a
real plane and can understand what I am trying to convey.

Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my
comprehension....

TROLLS NEED TO BE IGNORED....

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my
comprehension....

At the very least, you need to notice that you keep turning people off,
with the idea that you can tell them to whom they can respond and how.
And blacklisting people who disagree with your tactics? Talk about
disrespect.

You and Jim and a couple of others are way too obsessed with this.
Your posts are now 90% Mx phobia messages.

Turn off the computer for a couple of days, and get out to the real
world. I know that when you retire, the 'net is a tempting place to
get lost in, but seriously there are better places to go...

Kev

Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:

- What is the reason for not having icing protection turned on all the
time?
- Can VFR fixes be used on IFR flight plans? (How many of us know about
VFR fixes?)
- Can you switch VFR to IFR inflight, or do you have to file a full
flight plan?
- When class D overlaps with class C, which one takes precedence?
- Why doesn't the sectional chart legend show the symbol used for
wildlife refuges and national parks?
- How do you tell which side of the chain-link class E border you are
in? (how many pilots have even seen these symbols?)

Now, be honest and ask yourself if these are really trivial questions
with trivial answers. I am a CFII and I get excited when my students
ask such probing questions. I am willing to bet that majority of the
pilot population will not be able to answer the above questions.



A Lieberma wrote:
Dave wrote in
:

I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He
was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid"
category within some opinions here...

So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat...
(1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments,
controls and functions...

I saw him at the airport 3 months later..

He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at
about 6 hrs).....

So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot
someday...if they show an interest in aviation...

Dave,

What you describe is great above. I have been there and done it myself,
and posted my experiences on a post "Why I fly" to the
rec.aviation.piloting and rec.aviation.student newsgroups.

Here is the difference between what you describe above and Mx.

Your flight simmer went to the airport with you. Your simmer got in the
plane with you. Your simmer signed up for lessons. YOUR SIMMER
APPRECIATED the time vested. The unasked question is the dumb question.

I will take a fence sitter up any chance I get so I can take away the
mystery of the magic of flight and welcome all dumb questions.

Now, let's talk a little about Mx.....

He badgers every reply.
He can't afford flying.
He says it's too dangerous.
The equipment in our planes are unreliable.
He needs to see the pilot fly before he would get in a plane with him
(How this will happen is beyond my comprehension).

His sim doesn't jive up with real world experiences, I.E human physiology
interacting with flight. He has no intention of getting in a plane. He
has no intention of learning the real world experiences, only badger the
repliers to his good questions with sim experiences that doesn't equate.
I.E leans in IMC vs getting so called dizzy sitting in front of a
computer monitor.

Again, questions raised by Mx is not the problem. Simmers posting
questions is not the problem. Arm chair pilots posting question is not
the problem

THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF RESPECT SHOWN BY MX for real world experiences
THAT CANNOT BE SIMULATED IN A SIM. I do make the assumption you fly a
real plane and can understand what I am trying to convey.

Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my
comprehension....

TROLLS NEED TO BE IGNORED....

Allen

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in
ups.com:

Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:

Do the flip side Andrew. Post some of his replies......

I bet you won't have the same raving reviews....

I don't think anybody is having a problems with the quality of the
questions. How many times does this have to be re-iterated????

IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten.

Allen

A Lieberma wrote in
. 18:

IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten.

The word gotten should be "given"

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
...
IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten.


It is also his disdain for actual flying, and his considering the
activity dangerous and unwise. One doesn't insult the class of
people who fly, and expect them to kiss his butt with technical
help he doesn't really need. He also doesn't mind being publicly
insulted on the net here and in many other groups, and probably
loves it.

F--

"TxSrv" wrote in message
He also doesn't mind being publicly insulted on the net here and in many
other groups, and probably loves it.

Type his 'name' into google groups. You get over 120,000 hits! Of course he
loves it. He's been doing the same thing for a long time, and is very good
at it.

Recently, Andrew Sarangan posted:

Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:

- What is the reason for not having icing protection turned on all the
time?
- Can VFR fixes be used on IFR flight plans? (How many of us know
about VFR fixes?)
- Can you switch VFR to IFR inflight, or do you have to file a full
flight plan?
- When class D overlaps with class C, which one takes precedence?
- Why doesn't the sectional chart legend show the symbol used for
wildlife refuges and national parks?
- How do you tell which side of the chain-link class E border you are
in? (how many pilots have even seen these symbols?)

Now, be honest and ask yourself if these are really trivial questions
with trivial answers. I am a CFII and I get excited when my students
ask such probing questions. I am willing to bet that majority of the
pilot population will not be able to answer the above questions.

As many have said, their problem with Anthony is not about the quality of
his questions. He asks good questions at the outset that are quite
appropriate for this newsgroup. Some group participants are upset with his
rudeness and argumentative nature in consideration of his actual knowledge
and experience. Others are concerned when he posts misinformation
disguised as statements of fact (I'm in this group).

Having met pilots that are at least as rude as Anthony, I find it
difficult to be upset by that aspect of his presentation. We all have
limited knowledge, and at times post incorrect comments that can be read
as statements of fact, so I can't see a reason to single him out on this,
either. So, just as we are willing to do to others, we should do to him.

Neil

Neil Gould wrote:
So, just as we are willing to do to others, we should do to him.

When someone gets unreasonable or argumentative, it's simple enough to
start ignoring the individual at that point.

On the other hand, people learn differently and Usenet mixes many
flavors and cultures, so personality conflicts are bound to happen.

I'll answer on-topic posts that interest me and ignore those that don't.