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I have to agree Andrew..
I am convinced thatr somewhere behind "Mxmaniac" must be a tolerant gentleman... I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid" category within some opinions here... So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat... (1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments, controls and functions... I saw him at the airport 3 months later.. He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at about 6 hrs)..... So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot someday...if they show an interest in aviation... OK, maybe I just have a thick skin, or I just don't take myself very seriously... If anybody offends me, I just ignore them....they fade away after a while... Mx has not offended me... And I am NOT going to impress my opinion on others. I am not going to encourage others to respond to him, and I must confess I am beginning to tire of others (more than) suggesting that I (we) NOT respond to him. If anyone in this group offends me, I will determine it was not a misunderstanding, make them aware, and move on. I feel no need to blacklist anyone. It was 30 some years ago when I was pumping "stupid" questions to a pilot.. I am glad he was patient and encouraged me to keep dreaming. But it was still some time before I could afford to train to become a "real" pilot. Cheers! Dave , I just move on On 29 Nov 2006 13:39:38 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan" wrote: I am not sure why you guys are beating up the guy. He may not be a real pilot, but I have not found his questions to be offensive, off-topic or even ignorant. To the contrary, he has posed several questions in the past that many of us were unable to answer, or revealed lack of knowledge on our part. In those cases, it is the real pilots who I have seen to misbehave. I can't recall Mxsmanic to have lost his cool despite all the things that poeple call him. A Lieberma wrote: "Jim Macklin" wrote in : Too many systems to explain here, read the POH or a good training manual. Talk about wasted advise..... Mx doesn't even read the replies, much less anything he's been shown to read like references or POHs. Allen |
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Dave wrote in
: I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid" category within some opinions here... So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat... (1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments, controls and functions... I saw him at the airport 3 months later.. He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at about 6 hrs)..... So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot someday...if they show an interest in aviation... Dave, What you describe is great above. I have been there and done it myself, and posted my experiences on a post "Why I fly" to the rec.aviation.piloting and rec.aviation.student newsgroups. Here is the difference between what you describe above and Mx. Your flight simmer went to the airport with you. Your simmer got in the plane with you. Your simmer signed up for lessons. YOUR SIMMER APPRECIATED the time vested. The unasked question is the dumb question. I will take a fence sitter up any chance I get so I can take away the mystery of the magic of flight and welcome all dumb questions. Now, let's talk a little about Mx..... He badgers every reply. He can't afford flying. He says it's too dangerous. The equipment in our planes are unreliable. He needs to see the pilot fly before he would get in a plane with him (How this will happen is beyond my comprehension). His sim doesn't jive up with real world experiences, I.E human physiology interacting with flight. He has no intention of getting in a plane. He has no intention of learning the real world experiences, only badger the repliers to his good questions with sim experiences that doesn't equate. I.E leans in IMC vs getting so called dizzy sitting in front of a computer monitor. Again, questions raised by Mx is not the problem. Simmers posting questions is not the problem. Arm chair pilots posting question is not the problem THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF RESPECT SHOWN BY MX for real world experiences THAT CANNOT BE SIMULATED IN A SIM. I do make the assumption you fly a real plane and can understand what I am trying to convey. Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my comprehension.... TROLLS NEED TO BE IGNORED.... Allen |
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A Lieberma wrote:
Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my comprehension.... At the very least, you need to notice that you keep turning people off, with the idea that you can tell them to whom they can respond and how. And blacklisting people who disagree with your tactics? Talk about disrespect. You and Jim and a couple of others are way too obsessed with this. Your posts are now 90% Mx phobia messages. Turn off the computer for a couple of days, and get out to the real world. I know that when you retire, the 'net is a tempting place to get lost in, but seriously there are better places to go... ![]() Kev |
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Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:
- What is the reason for not having icing protection turned on all the time? - Can VFR fixes be used on IFR flight plans? (How many of us know about VFR fixes?) - Can you switch VFR to IFR inflight, or do you have to file a full flight plan? - When class D overlaps with class C, which one takes precedence? - Why doesn't the sectional chart legend show the symbol used for wildlife refuges and national parks? - How do you tell which side of the chain-link class E border you are in? (how many pilots have even seen these symbols?) Now, be honest and ask yourself if these are really trivial questions with trivial answers. I am a CFII and I get excited when my students ask such probing questions. I am willing to bet that majority of the pilot population will not be able to answer the above questions. A Lieberma wrote: Dave wrote in : I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid" category within some opinions here... So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat... (1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments, controls and functions... I saw him at the airport 3 months later.. He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at about 6 hrs)..... So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot someday...if they show an interest in aviation... Dave, What you describe is great above. I have been there and done it myself, and posted my experiences on a post "Why I fly" to the rec.aviation.piloting and rec.aviation.student newsgroups. Here is the difference between what you describe above and Mx. Your flight simmer went to the airport with you. Your simmer got in the plane with you. Your simmer signed up for lessons. YOUR SIMMER APPRECIATED the time vested. The unasked question is the dumb question. I will take a fence sitter up any chance I get so I can take away the mystery of the magic of flight and welcome all dumb questions. Now, let's talk a little about Mx..... He badgers every reply. He can't afford flying. He says it's too dangerous. The equipment in our planes are unreliable. He needs to see the pilot fly before he would get in a plane with him (How this will happen is beyond my comprehension). His sim doesn't jive up with real world experiences, I.E human physiology interacting with flight. He has no intention of getting in a plane. He has no intention of learning the real world experiences, only badger the repliers to his good questions with sim experiences that doesn't equate. I.E leans in IMC vs getting so called dizzy sitting in front of a computer monitor. Again, questions raised by Mx is not the problem. Simmers posting questions is not the problem. Arm chair pilots posting question is not the problem THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF RESPECT SHOWN BY MX for real world experiences THAT CANNOT BE SIMULATED IN A SIM. I do make the assumption you fly a real plane and can understand what I am trying to convey. Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my comprehension.... TROLLS NEED TO BE IGNORED.... Allen |
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in
ups.com: Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past: Do the flip side Andrew. Post some of his replies...... I bet you won't have the same raving reviews.... I don't think anybody is having a problems with the quality of the questions. How many times does this have to be re-iterated???? IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten. Allen |
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A Lieberma wrote in
. 18: IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten. The word gotten should be "given" Allen |
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A Lieberma wrote:
... IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten. It is also his disdain for actual flying, and his considering the activity dangerous and unwise. One doesn't insult the class of people who fly, and expect them to kiss his butt with technical help he doesn't really need. He also doesn't mind being publicly insulted on the net here and in many other groups, and probably loves it. F-- |
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"TxSrv" wrote in message
He also doesn't mind being publicly insulted on the net here and in many other groups, and probably loves it. Type his 'name' into google groups. You get over 120,000 hits! Of course he loves it. He's been doing the same thing for a long time, and is very good at it. |
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Recently, Andrew Sarangan posted:
Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past: - What is the reason for not having icing protection turned on all the time? - Can VFR fixes be used on IFR flight plans? (How many of us know about VFR fixes?) - Can you switch VFR to IFR inflight, or do you have to file a full flight plan? - When class D overlaps with class C, which one takes precedence? - Why doesn't the sectional chart legend show the symbol used for wildlife refuges and national parks? - How do you tell which side of the chain-link class E border you are in? (how many pilots have even seen these symbols?) Now, be honest and ask yourself if these are really trivial questions with trivial answers. I am a CFII and I get excited when my students ask such probing questions. I am willing to bet that majority of the pilot population will not be able to answer the above questions. As many have said, their problem with Anthony is not about the quality of his questions. He asks good questions at the outset that are quite appropriate for this newsgroup. Some group participants are upset with his rudeness and argumentative nature in consideration of his actual knowledge and experience. Others are concerned when he posts misinformation disguised as statements of fact (I'm in this group). Having met pilots that are at least as rude as Anthony, I find it difficult to be upset by that aspect of his presentation. We all have limited knowledge, and at times post incorrect comments that can be read as statements of fact, so I can't see a reason to single him out on this, either. So, just as we are willing to do to others, we should do to him. Neil |
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Neil Gould wrote:
So, just as we are willing to do to others, we should do to him. When someone gets unreasonable or argumentative, it's simple enough to start ignoring the individual at that point. On the other hand, people learn differently and Usenet mixes many flavors and cultures, so personality conflicts are bound to happen. I'll answer on-topic posts that interest me and ignore those that don't. |
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