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"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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(OK - here comes the big controversy...)
It's the same type of hypocrisy that I believe exists among people who
complain about being called derogatory names, and then refer to each
other "jokingly" using the same bad words.

The difference?

Our Albatross flies a desk...I actually FLY.

Irrelevant to my point. If I walk around calling myself a "dirty cheap
kike", would you call me a hypocrite if I then got offended when you call
me a "dirty cheap kike"?



So thankyouverymuch but I'll refer to light GA aircraft in whatever
terms I choose and I don't give a tinkers damn if I come off sounding
high and mighty.

Yourwelcomeverymuch. You go ahead and refer to light GA aircraft in
whatever terms you want. But then don't be surprised when an outsider uses
the same language. But if that language offends you, then you shouldn't
have used it yourself.

It has nothing to do with high and mighty.

Anyway, it's a big beef of mine (especially the "N word"), and I've said my
peace. So I'll shut up about it now to prevent another MX thread from
evolving into prosperity.

"Judah" wrote in message
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"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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(OK - here comes the big controversy...)
It's the same type of hypocrisy that I believe exists among people who
complain about being called derogatory names, and then refer to each
other "jokingly" using the same bad words.

The difference?

Our Albatross flies a desk...I actually FLY.

Irrelevant to my point. If I walk around calling myself a "dirty cheap
kike", would you call me a hypocrite if I then got offended when you call
me a "dirty cheap kike"?

Is it true? Are you? In the end it doesn't matter what I think. I'm not a
part of the "user group" so that means my opinion means nothing on the
subject. Same thing applies to Mx and flying.

So thankyouverymuch but I'll refer to light GA aircraft in whatever
terms I choose and I don't give a tinkers damn if I come off sounding
high and mighty.

Yourwelcomeverymuch. You go ahead and refer to light GA aircraft in
whatever terms you want. But then don't be surprised when an outsider uses
the same language. But if that language offends you, then you shouldn't
have used it yourself.

See my point above. If you aren't experienced with the subject, you
shouldn't be casting aspersions at all.


It has nothing to do with high and mighty.


Apparently this is problem #1 for some. We pilots are being haughty and
unwilling to help someone who is trying to drink from the fountain of
knowledge. Well bull****. Have you seen the Albatross' website? He's
obviously not stupid, not ignorant and in fact, some of his photography is
pretty damn good. So I'd say he's perfectly capable of devining official
information from reliable sources. So given the established fact that he
has no desire to ever fly, why come here to ask the questions? Someone else
hit the nail on the head: He knows just which questions to ask to spark
debate. Not subjects that are cut and dried/black and white. Practically
all are on what in the sports world would be referred to as "Judgement
Calls."

Anyway, it's a big beef of mine (especially the "N word")

I assume you mean Black-on-Black use of the "N" word? Do you know what it
means when one African-American calls another by the "N" word? Having grown
up in Detroit, Michigan (making me a part of the user group, trust me), I
can give you a clue: It isn't a racial thing...

and I've said my peace. So I'll shut up about it now to prevent another MX
thread from evolving into prosperity.

Best of Luck,

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Jay Beckman writes:

Someone else hit the nail on the head: He knows just which
questions to ask to spark debate. Not subjects that are cut
and dried/black and white.

Questions serve no purpose with respect to subjects that are black and
white. They only arise in gray areas. Why would anyone ask a
question about something that was black and white? All the black and
white stuff is already documented and easy to look up.

Practically all are on what in the sports world would be
referred to as "Judgement Calls."

That's why they give rise to questions.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

"Jay Beckman" wrote in news:rCFbh.39$un3.18
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See my point above. If you aren't experienced with the subject, you
shouldn't be casting aspersions at all.

Sometimes it's difficult to determine whether a term is derogatory or not
when the people who use it don't use it in a derogatory manner. I have never
heard a pilot on here use the term "bugsmasher" in a way that would be
insulting. So I can't begroan Manic for using the term.

Someone else hit the nail on the head: He knows just which
questions to ask to spark debate.

You'll get no argument from me there. I've been saying that for some time
now.

I assume you mean Black-on-Black use of the "N" word? Do you know what
it means when one African-American calls another by the "N" word?
Having grown up in Detroit, Michigan (making me a part of the user
group, trust me), I can give you a clue: It isn't a racial thing...

When my 11 year old son watches a movie where a Black man is singing proudly
about his heritage using the "N" word, is he supposed to inherently know that
it's not really a term that glorifies the Black man's heritage?

and I've said my peace. So I'll shut up about it now to prevent another
MX thread from evolving into prosperity.

OK, so I lied.

"Judah" wrote in message
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"Jay Beckman" wrote in news:rCFbh.39$un3.18
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See my point above. If you aren't experienced with the subject, you
shouldn't be casting aspersions at all.

Sometimes it's difficult to determine whether a term is derogatory or not
when the people who use it don't use it in a derogatory manner. I have
never heard a pilot on here use the term "bugsmasher" in a way that would
be insulting. So I can't begroan Manic for using the term.

I used to work with a guy who was a US Air (the old, original US Air) 1st
officer who also worked in sports TV like I do and he only referred to light
GA as "Bug Smashers," "Spam Cans" and the like. I guess 'cause he had keys
to a DC9, he could do so but he wasn't the first person (nor the last) that
I've heard use such descriptions.

Someone else hit the nail on the head: He knows just which
questions to ask to spark debate.

You'll get no argument from me there. I've been saying that for some time
now.

I assume you mean Black-on-Black use of the "N" word? Do you know what
it means when one African-American calls another by the "N" word?
Having grown up in Detroit, Michigan (making me a part of the user
group, trust me), I can give you a clue: It isn't a racial thing...

When my 11 year old son watches a movie where a Black man is singing
proudly about his heritage using the "N" word, is he supposed to inherently
know that
it's not really a term that glorifies the Black man's heritage?

No, you should explain to him that when a Black man calls another Black man
that, he's calling him lazy and stupid (something you shouldn't call anyone
to begin with) but that it does not have the same connotation when it's used
by someone who is not Black.

and I've said my peace. So I'll shut up about it now to prevent another
MX thread from evolving into prosperity.

OK, so I lied.

LOL...

Jay B

"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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I used to work with a guy who was a US Air (the old, original US Air)
1st officer who also worked in sports TV like I do and he only referred
to light GA as "Bug Smashers," "Spam Cans" and the like. I guess 'cause
he had keys to a DC9, he could do so but he wasn't the first person (nor
the last) that I've heard use such descriptions.

Certainly the term "Bug Smashers" and "Spam Cans" are typically reserved
for light GA. But when he said it, I suspect he wasn't intending to
belittle light GA. He might have been poking some slight fun at it, or he
might have just been referring to it in a manner that he heard other pilots
refer to it.

No, you should explain to him that when a Black man calls another Black
man that, he's calling him lazy and stupid (something you shouldn't call
anyone to begin with) but that it does not have the same connotation
when it's used by someone who is not Black.

Perhaps in New York or on NY TV and Radio the term is used differently than
in Detroit, but I hear Black men calling other Black men "My N*****" in a
manner that does not in any way imply lazy or stupid, or in fact have any
negative connotation whatsoever. I frequently hear the word used in a
manner that I might substitute the word "friend".

Ice T uses the term in his rap music that way, as well as in his own
epithet. And Eminem, who is not Black, uses the term in much of his rap
music as well. So somehow I don't believe this to be restricted to use
based on the color of one's skin, either.

"Judah" wrote in message
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"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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I used to work with a guy who was a US Air (the old, original US Air)
1st officer who also worked in sports TV like I do and he only referred
to light GA as "Bug Smashers," "Spam Cans" and the like. I guess 'cause
he had keys to a DC9, he could do so but he wasn't the first person (nor
the last) that I've heard use such descriptions.

Certainly the term "Bug Smashers" and "Spam Cans" are typically reserved
for light GA. But when he said it, I suspect he wasn't intending to
belittle light GA. He might have been poking some slight fun at it, or he
might have just been referring to it in a manner that he heard other
pilots
refer to it.

No, compared to the DC9 he drove for a living, he meant "Bug Smasher." ie:
Light GA flies so low you're down with the bugs. I can attest to this being
true considering how much "blech" is on the leading edges and cowl of our
club 172 when I've been out practicing ground reference or simply doing
pattern work at Casa Grande Muni south of Phoenix. There is a lot of
agriculture down that way and plenty of bugs get smashed...

No, you should explain to him that when a Black man calls another Black
man that, he's calling him lazy and stupid (something you shouldn't call
anyone to begin with) but that it does not have the same connotation
when it's used by someone who is not Black.

Perhaps in New York or on NY TV and Radio the term is used differently
than
in Detroit, but I hear Black men calling other Black men "My N*****" in a
manner that does not in any way imply lazy or stupid, or in fact have any
negative connotation whatsoever. I frequently hear the word used in a
manner that I might substitute the word "friend".

Ice T uses the term in his rap music that way, as well as in his own
epithet. And Eminem, who is not Black, uses the term in much of his rap
music as well. So somehow I don't believe this to be restricted to use
based on the color of one's skin, either.

In that regard, it's more akin to Japanese where the inflection and context
determine the actual meaning. I've heard it used as "friend" also in the
manner in which you describe, but with a little more "venom" and in a more
aggressive conversation it can also mean as I described.

Jay B

"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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No, compared to the DC9 he drove for a living, he meant "Bug Smasher."
ie: Light GA flies so low you're down with the bugs. I can attest to
this being true considering how much "blech" is on the leading edges and
cowl of our club 172 when I've been out practicing ground reference or
simply doing pattern work at Casa Grande Muni south of Phoenix. There
is a lot of agriculture down that way and plenty of bugs get smashed...

Certainly. But what is derogatory about that? It's just a statement of fact
that light GA planes smash bugs, hence the nickname "bug smasher". I don't
get insulted by the use of the term by Manic any more than your friend the
DC9 pilot.

In that regard, it's more akin to Japanese where the inflection and
context determine the actual meaning. I've heard it used as "friend"
also in the manner in which you describe, but with a little more "venom"
and in a more aggressive conversation it can also mean as I described.

Just ask Kramer...