Landing speeds for naval aircraft?

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Small was Oriskany, Hancock, and Lex and their sisters. Night traps on
two of them.

Indeed! The A-6 took up a LOT of space on Lady Lex!

Gotta ask if anybody that reads this NG CQ'ed onboard Lex..I did, in
1973...still had a mirror...

Or anybody serve onboard Lex, when she was still a CVA??


Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam, CVS-36.
The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off San
Clemente Island.

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John Weiss wrote:
"John Carrier" wrote...

Small was Oriskany, Hancock, and Lex and their sisters. Night traps
on
two of them.

Indeed! The A-6 took up a LOT of space on Lady Lex!

Gotta ask if anybody that reads this NG CQ'ed onboard Lex..I did, in
1973...still had a mirror...

Or anybody serve onboard Lex, when she was still a CVA??


Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam,
CVS-36.
The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off
San Clemente Island.

F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a
memorial service that never happened.

R / John

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John Weiss wrote:
"John Carrier" wrote...

Small was Oriskany, Hancock, and Lex and their sisters. Night traps
on
two of them.

Indeed! The A-6 took up a LOT of space on Lady Lex!

Gotta ask if anybody that reads this NG CQ'ed onboard Lex..I did, in
1973...still had a mirror...

Or anybody serve onboard Lex, when she was still a CVA??


Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam,
CVS-36.
The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off
San Clemente Island.

F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a
memorial service that never happened.

R / John

Yes, the accident rate was a little high at times, about three times as high
as that of the Phantom when it came along.

It didn't become the F-8C until Sept '62, just in time to confuse everybody
for the Cuban training exercise.

SNIP

Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam,
CVS-36.
The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961) off
San Clemente Island.

F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a
memorial service that never happened.

R / John

Yes, the accident rate was a little high at times, about three times as
high as that of the Phantom when it came along.

High enough that airpac started putting out two mishap rates to look
somewhat competitive with airlant: Mishap rate and Mishap rate less F-8s.
The longest mishap free period in the aircraft's history for a squadron was
21 months IIRC.

It didn't become the F-8C until Sept '62, just in time to confuse
everybody for the Cuban training exercise.

And the K with a rewing and hard points. Got a few hours in that one.

R / John

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SNIP

Hummmm. young whippersnappers. T2J-1 with VT-5 on the USS Antietam,
CVS-36.
The only time I was ever on the Lex was for quals in an F8U-2 (1961)
off San Clemente Island.

F8U-2 (AKA F-8C)? To borrow from Moon Vance, what we have here is a
memorial service that never happened.

R / John

Yes, the accident rate was a little high at times, about three times as
high as that of the Phantom when it came along.

High enough that airpac started putting out two mishap rates to look
somewhat competitive with airlant: Mishap rate and Mishap rate less F-8s.
The longest mishap free period in the aircraft's history for a squadron
was 21 months IIRC.

It didn't become the F-8C until Sept '62, just in time to confuse
everybody for the Cuban training exercise.

And the K with a rewing and hard points. Got a few hours in that one.

R / John
You know I always felt safe and in control in the F8, but I was young,
foolish, full of **** and vinegar, and thought I was bullet proof, bad
things only happened to other people. What the hell did I know? But I did
manage to log a landing for every takeoff, although it got close a few
times, I never lost confidence in the aircraft.

Only buzzed carriers, being an AF pilot, but our basic fence speed in
the F4D (Phantom, that is)was 122 KIAS plus 2 knots per 1000# over
empty/clean. But we could shave that speed 4 knots or so with a
slippery runway (Da Nang in the monsoon!) . FWIW with zero crosswind
you could plant a F104A, full flaps, at 135. If the F102 had had 8 foot
long gear legs we could have landed it at about 115; but with the
factory gear you'd drag a foot or so off the tailpipe. BTW hows come
only a couple responders mentioned airspeed, and one of them sounded
pretty high? Lots of reserve fuel in case of repeated bolters? Surely
y'all had a basic airspeed to add to in case of extra fuel, external
loads, etc. Or did you fly AOA and ignore IAS?
Walt BJ

WaltBJ wrote:
Only buzzed carriers, being an AF pilot, but our basic fence speed in
the F4D (Phantom, that is)was 122 KIAS plus 2 knots per 1000# over
empty/clean. But we could shave that speed 4 knots or so with a
slippery runway (Da Nang in the monsoon!) . FWIW with zero crosswind
you could plant a F104A, full flaps, at 135. If the F102 had had 8 foot
long gear legs we could have landed it at about 115; but with the
factory gear you'd drag a foot or so off the tailpipe. BTW hows come
only a couple responders mentioned airspeed, and one of them sounded
pretty high? Lots of reserve fuel in case of repeated bolters? Surely
y'all had a basic airspeed to add to in case of extra fuel, external
loads, etc. Or did you fly AOA and ignore IAS?
Walt BJ

AOA and making sure you weren't heavier than than max trap fuel..5.1 in
the later F-4s, 5.7 with tank 7 full in the earler F-4J...GIB made sure
the airspeed was 'proper' but 15 units AOA(?)...