IFR Cancellation Question

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Ron Natalie wrote:

Question two: While I wanted on the tapes that IFR cancellation was
received (see last transmission by me), was I truly and properly
cancelled out of the IFR system? Since the frequency was busy, figured
to let sleeping dogs rest, but I wasn't comfortable with the fact that I
didn't hear the buzz words "IFR cancellation received".

I wouldn't be too worried about that. There are a lot of checks for
unclosed flight plans and if they find you before they launch search
and rescue I can't imagine the FAA persuing it.

If you were concerned that the controller hadn't cancelled your IFR, you
could have called 1-800-WX-BRIEF and cancelled (again) on the phone.

I do agree that something seems to have gone funny here. It could just be
some non-standard phraseology on the part of the controller, or it could be
that he actually thought you were VFR all along (although, the "descend and
maintain 2000" makes me doubt that). An ASRS report couldn't hurt.

Roy Smith wrote:



If you were concerned that the controller hadn't cancelled your IFR, you
could have called 1-800-WX-BRIEF and cancelled (again) on the phone.


It's a towered airport. There's no actual cancellation that takes
place. Nobody calls anybody, nobody sends a message, etc.

"Newps" wrote in message
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It's a towered airport. There's no actual cancellation that takes place.
Nobody calls anybody, nobody sends a message, etc.


MBO is not a towered airport.

Newps wrote:


Roy Smith wrote:



If you were concerned that the controller hadn't cancelled your IFR,
you could have called 1-800-WX-BRIEF and cancelled (again) on the phone.


It's a towered airport. There's no actual cancellation that takes
place. Nobody calls anybody, nobody sends a message, etc.


I/m even more confused if it was a towered airport. Approach would
have transfered him to the tower frequency rather than just
RADARSERVICESTERMIANTEDSQUAUKVFRHAVEANICEDAY.

Ron Natalie wrote:



It's a towered airport. There's no actual cancellation that takes
place. Nobody calls anybody, nobody sends a message, etc.


I/m even more confused if it was a towered airport.

I though an earlier post said he was handed off to the tower.



Approach would
have transfered him to the tower frequency rather than just
RADARSERVICESTERMIANTEDSQUAUKVFRHAVEANICEDAY.

Approach can do both. It depends on the service they are able to provide.

Newps wrote in
:

Approach can do both. It depends on the service they are able to
provide.

For VFR handling, I would agree with the above, though in my neck of the
woods, I have never heard approach tell VFR traffic to squawk VFR and
expect them to contact tower on their own.

For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and
cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I
was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar
services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport?

In my case originally posted, no tower was involved, as I was landing at
KMBO which is an uncontrolled airport.

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:

was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar
services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport?

Surely you meant they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate your clearance.
Radar services could be cancelled at any time.

D

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
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For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and
cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I
was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar
services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport?


They would if the tower had no radar.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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"A Lieberma" wrote in message
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For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and
cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is
what I was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't)
terminate radar services before having me contact tower at a
controlled airport?


They would if the tower had no radar.

Ok, makes sense on the radar services being terminated, but the IFR
clearance still applies for airspace seperation?

IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
Newps wrote in
:


Approach can do both. It depends on the service they are able to
provide.


For VFR handling, I would agree with the above, though in my neck of the
woods, I have never heard approach tell VFR traffic to squawk VFR and
expect them to contact tower on their own.

That is a regional thing. Some places are famous for terminating
aircraft very close to a class D boundary.




For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and
cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I
was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar
services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport?

Sure they can. If they don't have radar coverage they will terminate you.