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Old December 10th 06, 05:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Walt wrote:


Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty
dreary place. :)


Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.




Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow
I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and
you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of
course.


They are non FAA and not too sharp.
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Old December 10th 06, 06:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Newps wrote:
Walt wrote:


Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty
dreary place. :)


Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.




Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow
I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and
you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of
course.


They are non FAA and not too sharp.


Gallatin Field is a contract tower too. Had kind of a rocky start but
they're doing okay now. The times I've flown into KMSO I didn't have
any problems. Of course, it's not real busy there either.

--Walt

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Old December 11th 06, 12:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Walt wrote:

Newps wrote:

Walt wrote:



Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty
dreary place. :)


Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.




Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow
I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and
you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of
course.


They are non FAA and not too sharp.



Gallatin Field is a contract tower too.




Ameriflight, which has a base here, runs a lot of cargo and go into BZN
every day. They say, bar none, the BZN controllers are the worst. The
city fathers are installing a radar there, should be up and ready to go
next spring/summer. We hope to be working it from here at BIL.
Otherwise Salt Lake Center will get it and you guys won't notice one
iotas difference.



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Old December 11th 06, 02:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of
the pilots.

I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is
being installed at Gallatin Field. It's being pushed by "big money", if
you want to call it that. Lots of private jets fly into and out of
Gallatin Field.

I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others
because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit
of a stretch. I could expound on this statement but I won't. I don't
see the reason why. There are some local controllers who are a pleasure
to work with and others who, well, aren't.

Pretty much like most towers, I guess.

If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to
hook up some time.

--Walt


Newps wrote:
Walt wrote:


Ameriflight, which has a base here, runs a lot of cargo and go into BZN
every day. They say, bar none, the BZN controllers are the worst. The
city fathers are installing a radar there, should be up and ready to go
next spring/summer. We hope to be working it from here at BIL.
Otherwise Salt Lake Center will get it and you guys won't notice one
iotas difference.


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Old December 11th 06, 04:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Walt wrote:

That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of
the pilots.

I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is
being installed at Gallatin Field.



They have everything to do with it. BZN does not qualify for radar but
the airport authority said we'll pay for it. So you're getting one.
Now who ever pays for it it doesn't matter. What you need to make sure
of as a user is that an approach control runs your airspace, not Salt
Lake Center. If Salt Lake runs the airspace, as they do now, nothing
will change. It's one in or one out. If we here in Billings run it we
will be able to use approach control rules, much more efficient use of
the airspace for you folks. Tell everybody you run into.






I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others
because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit
of a stretch.


I didn't say that but a regular user did. I've flown in there several
times and the stuff they do makes me shake my head. They are not very
good at controlling a pattern. A King Air comes over the mountains from
Livingston and you are landing to the west and the controllers make
every one follow the King Air. Terribly inefficient.






If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to
hook up some time.



Stop by for a tour at the new tower and see what Conrad got us.
Otherwise head for the mountains and dirt strips and look for the V
Tail, that's me.





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Old December 11th 06, 04:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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I'm not going to get involved in politics here, especially since we
probably agree more than disagree. BZN is getting the radar, like it or
not. Ten years ago it was an uncontrolled airport. It sure shouldn't be
uncontrolled now. Ten years in the future it could very well be Class
C.

The current situation at BZN - one in, one out - isn't working well.
You're right. And, I could tell my own stories about flying in and out
of BZN, but there's no point.

Anyway, perhaps we'll hook up some time. We travel to many of the
fly-ins in Montana during the summer, and I'll look for a V-tail. Take
care, my friend.

--Walt


Newps wrote:
Walt wrote:

That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of
the pilots.

I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is
being installed at Gallatin Field.



They have everything to do with it. BZN does not qualify for radar but
the airport authority said we'll pay for it. So you're getting one.
Now who ever pays for it it doesn't matter. What you need to make sure
of as a user is that an approach control runs your airspace, not Salt
Lake Center. If Salt Lake runs the airspace, as they do now, nothing
will change. It's one in or one out. If we here in Billings run it we
will be able to use approach control rules, much more efficient use of
the airspace for you folks. Tell everybody you run into.






I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others
because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit
of a stretch.


I didn't say that but a regular user did. I've flown in there several
times and the stuff they do makes me shake my head. They are not very
good at controlling a pattern. A King Air comes over the mountains from
Livingston and you are landing to the west and the controllers make
every one follow the King Air. Terribly inefficient.






If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to
hook up some time.



Stop by for a tour at the new tower and see what Conrad got us.
Otherwise head for the mountains and dirt strips and look for the V
Tail, that's me.


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Old December 11th 06, 05:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Walt wrote:


The current situation at BZN - one in, one out - isn't working well.
You're right. And, I could tell my own stories about flying in and out
of BZN, but there's no point.


Believe me it takes locals like you to call your represenatives.
Rehberg is your best bet. Your mayor too. Send an email to HLN FSDO.
We here at BIL have been doing this for years. That's how stuff gets
done, especially in a small state like ours. By the way what do you fly?




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Old December 11th 06, 05:29 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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("Newps" wrote)
Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan.



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DETROIT LIONS ........20


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