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![]() Walt wrote: Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty dreary place. :) Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan. Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of course. They are non FAA and not too sharp. |
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![]() Newps wrote: Walt wrote: Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty dreary place. :) Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan. Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of course. They are non FAA and not too sharp. Gallatin Field is a contract tower too. Had kind of a rocky start but they're doing okay now. The times I've flown into KMSO I didn't have any problems. Of course, it's not real busy there either. --Walt |
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![]() Walt wrote: Newps wrote: Walt wrote: Yeah, being a Bobcat fan I've always found Missoula to be a pretty dreary place. :) Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan. Fun place to fly into though if you're coming from Bozeman. Just follow I-90, skim the hills just east of town, fly over Grizzlie Stadium, and you're set up for a straight-in to 29 at KMSO. With tower approval, of course. They are non FAA and not too sharp. Gallatin Field is a contract tower too. Ameriflight, which has a base here, runs a lot of cargo and go into BZN every day. They say, bar none, the BZN controllers are the worst. The city fathers are installing a radar there, should be up and ready to go next spring/summer. We hope to be working it from here at BIL. Otherwise Salt Lake Center will get it and you guys won't notice one iotas difference. |
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That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of
the pilots. I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is being installed at Gallatin Field. It's being pushed by "big money", if you want to call it that. Lots of private jets fly into and out of Gallatin Field. I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit of a stretch. I could expound on this statement but I won't. I don't see the reason why. There are some local controllers who are a pleasure to work with and others who, well, aren't. Pretty much like most towers, I guess. If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to hook up some time. --Walt Newps wrote: Walt wrote: Ameriflight, which has a base here, runs a lot of cargo and go into BZN every day. They say, bar none, the BZN controllers are the worst. The city fathers are installing a radar there, should be up and ready to go next spring/summer. We hope to be working it from here at BIL. Otherwise Salt Lake Center will get it and you guys won't notice one iotas difference. |
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![]() Walt wrote: That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of the pilots. I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is being installed at Gallatin Field. They have everything to do with it. BZN does not qualify for radar but the airport authority said we'll pay for it. So you're getting one. Now who ever pays for it it doesn't matter. What you need to make sure of as a user is that an approach control runs your airspace, not Salt Lake Center. If Salt Lake runs the airspace, as they do now, nothing will change. It's one in or one out. If we here in Billings run it we will be able to use approach control rules, much more efficient use of the airspace for you folks. Tell everybody you run into. I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit of a stretch. I didn't say that but a regular user did. I've flown in there several times and the stuff they do makes me shake my head. They are not very good at controlling a pattern. A King Air comes over the mountains from Livingston and you are landing to the west and the controllers make every one follow the King Air. Terribly inefficient. If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to hook up some time. Stop by for a tour at the new tower and see what Conrad got us. Otherwise head for the mountains and dirt strips and look for the V Tail, that's me. |
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I'm not going to get involved in politics here, especially since we
probably agree more than disagree. BZN is getting the radar, like it or not. Ten years ago it was an uncontrolled airport. It sure shouldn't be uncontrolled now. Ten years in the future it could very well be Class C. The current situation at BZN - one in, one out - isn't working well. You're right. And, I could tell my own stories about flying in and out of BZN, but there's no point. Anyway, perhaps we'll hook up some time. We travel to many of the fly-ins in Montana during the summer, and I'll look for a V-tail. Take care, my friend. --Walt Newps wrote: Walt wrote: That's interesting. I'm familiar with Ameriflight but don't know any of the pilots. I don't think the "City Fathers" have much to do with the radar that is being installed at Gallatin Field. They have everything to do with it. BZN does not qualify for radar but the airport authority said we'll pay for it. So you're getting one. Now who ever pays for it it doesn't matter. What you need to make sure of as a user is that an approach control runs your airspace, not Salt Lake Center. If Salt Lake runs the airspace, as they do now, nothing will change. It's one in or one out. If we here in Billings run it we will be able to use approach control rules, much more efficient use of the airspace for you folks. Tell everybody you run into. I know the controllers at Gallatin Field; some personally, others because I talk to'em when I fly. To say they are "the worst" is a bit of a stretch. I didn't say that but a regular user did. I've flown in there several times and the stuff they do makes me shake my head. They are not very good at controlling a pattern. A King Air comes over the mountains from Livingston and you are landing to the west and the controllers make every one follow the King Air. Terribly inefficient. If you fly out of BIL then we are, in Montana, neighbors. We'll have to hook up some time. Stop by for a tour at the new tower and see what Conrad got us. Otherwise head for the mountains and dirt strips and look for the V Tail, that's me. |
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![]() Walt wrote: The current situation at BZN - one in, one out - isn't working well. You're right. And, I could tell my own stories about flying in and out of BZN, but there's no point. Believe me it takes locals like you to call your represenatives. Rehberg is your best bet. Your mayor too. Send an email to HLN FSDO. We here at BIL have been doing this for years. That's how stuff gets done, especially in a small state like ours. By the way what do you fly? |
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Geez, that's like being a Detroit Lions fan. Minnesota Vikings .....30 DETROIT LIONS ........20 Montblack-and-blue-division |
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