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![]() A Lieberma wrote: Plenty of busy UNcontrolled and D class airports underlay the shelfs of B and C.... Can you name some of them? From my point of view, if you have not sighted the airport from a few miles out (my definition of a few is 2 to 3 miles), either you are in conditions that you shouldn't be in (below VFR) or you are situationally lost. As you know, in a typical C172 speed, that is only 1 to 1 1/2 minutes to the airport, far too short to be properly entering a pattern (especially if the airport has non standard patterns, such as right turns). Sounds like your point of view is based on rather limited experience, but let's get back on point. If you're two or three miles from the airport should you be on flight following or should you be on CTAF or tower frequency? Now, we are getting somewhere, and yes, I do agree with you. Finally. Unfortunately, when KJAN is busy, releasing me 10 miles out from KMBO in Charlie airpsace when traffic is using 16L is not exactly a good idea. I have been held on frequency by approach up to 5 miles to the airport when approaching KMBO from the east or north east. Coming from the south, you won't be released by approach until you are passed the final approach courses for 16R and 16L. If you're in Charlie airspace you're not on flight following, you're receiving Class C services. Even so, controllers are required to terminate Class C services to aircraft landing at secondary airports at a point that will allow them to obtain airport and traffic information. http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...708.html#7-8-8 Personally, knowing where my own airport is, I don't have any problems being released early, but when I go to airports I am not familiar with, then I'd rather have the controller hold on to me until I get a visual. Airport advisories such as xxxx 8 miles 12 o'clock are always appreciated even though I already may have this info on my GPS. Is that because you lack confidence in your GPS? So, while you may not see the reason for a controller to ask a VFR traffic to report airport in sight, doesn't mean it's a useless request. No, but if there was a reason for a controller to ask a VFR aircraft on flight following to report the field in sight I would see it. It's a useless request because it has no useful purpose. Plus, it may be a confort factor to the controller knowing the pilot does have the airport in sight before turning him over to CTAF (or tower). How might that affect the controller's comfort? |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
A Lieberma wrote: Plenty of busy UNcontrolled and D class airports underlay the shelfs of B and C.... Can you name some of them? I can spot a few on the top 50 towers list put out by the FAA. All are class D outside, but under the floor of class C/B airspace. VNY is the busiest GA airport in the country. It's far busier by any measure than BUR whose class C it underlies. APA is the 25th busiest airport in the country and is under DEN's shelf. DVT is the 27th (under PHX). LGB at #30 is under LAX. |
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Ron Natalie wrote:
I can spot a few on the top 50 towers list put out by the FAA. All are class D outside, but under the floor of class C/B airspace. VNY is the busiest GA airport in the country. It's far busier by any measure than BUR whose class C it underlies. Well not by any measure. It has zero scheduled air service. |
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![]() Ron Natalie wrote: I can spot a few on the top 50 towers list put out by the FAA. All are class D outside, but under the floor of class C/B airspace. VNY is the busiest GA airport in the country. It's far busier by any measure than BUR whose class C it underlies. APA is the 25th busiest airport in the country and is under DEN's shelf. DVT is the 27th (under PHX). LGB at #30 is under LAX. What would you do as you approached them while on flight following, assuming you do not yet have the field in sight and the controller instructed you to report the field? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
DVT is the 27th (under PHX). What would you do as you approached them while on flight following, assuming you do not yet have the field in sight and the controller instructed you to report the field? Well since this is my home base, I would terminate flight following and request a frequency change when about 10 miles from the airport, so I could give the tower a call. That is, if approach hadn't dropped me before that. Mike |
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![]() Mike Adams wrote: Well since this is my home base, I would terminate flight following and request a frequency change when about 10 miles from the airport, so I could give the tower a call. That is, if approach hadn't dropped me before that. What about the report of the field in sight? Isn't safety compromised if you terminate flight following before reporting the field in sight? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
Mike Adams wrote: Well since this is my home base, I would terminate flight following and request a frequency change when about 10 miles from the airport, so I could give the tower a call. That is, if approach hadn't dropped me before that. What about the report of the field in sight? Isn't safety compromised if you terminate flight following before reporting the field in sight? How so? I can find the airport without ATC's help. At this particular airport, radar coverage is pretty crummy, so approach is more likely to terminate me before the 10 mile point anyway, and visibility is usually not an issue. Mike |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
A Lieberma wrote: Plenty of busy UNcontrolled and D class airports underlay the shelfs of B and C.... Can you name some of them? Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU (Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) - all pretty busy Class D airports. .... Alan -- Alan Gerber PP-ASEL gerber AT panix DOT com |
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Alan Gerber writes:
Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU (Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) - all pretty busy Class D airports. Underneath KPHX, Deer Valley, Scottsdale, Williams Gateway, Falcon Field, Chandler. Scottsdale is very popular for GA, Williams handles a lot of the overload from KPHX and is thus very busy for a Class D. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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![]() "Alan Gerber" wrote in message ... Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU (Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) - all pretty busy Class D airports. When you're in any of that Class D airspace, do you feel you should be talking to the tower or still on flight following? |
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