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Old December 11th 06, 02:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
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A Lieberma wrote:

Plenty of busy UNcontrolled and D class airports underlay the shelfs of B
and C....


Can you name some of them?



From my point of view, if you have not sighted the airport from a few
miles out (my definition of a few is 2 to 3 miles), either you are in
conditions that you shouldn't be in (below VFR) or you are situationally
lost. As you know, in a typical C172 speed, that is only 1 to 1 1/2
minutes to the airport, far too short to be properly entering a pattern
(especially if the airport has non standard patterns, such as right
turns).


Sounds like your point of view is based on rather limited experience,
but let's get back on point. If you're two or three miles from the
airport should you be on flight following or should you be on CTAF or
tower frequency?



Now, we are getting somewhere, and yes, I do agree with you.


Finally.



Unfortunately, when KJAN is busy, releasing me 10 miles out from KMBO in
Charlie airpsace when traffic is using 16L is not exactly a good idea. I
have been held on frequency by approach up to 5 miles to the airport when
approaching KMBO from the east or north east. Coming from the south, you
won't be released by approach until you are passed the final approach
courses for 16R and 16L.


If you're in Charlie airspace you're not on flight following, you're
receiving Class C services. Even so, controllers are required to
terminate Class C services to aircraft landing at secondary airports at
a point that will allow them to obtain airport and traffic information.


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...708.html#7-8-8



Personally, knowing where my own airport is, I don't have any problems
being released early, but when I go to airports I am not familiar with,
then I'd rather have the controller hold on to me until I get a visual.
Airport advisories such as xxxx 8 miles 12 o'clock are always appreciated
even though I already may have this info on my GPS.


Is that because you lack confidence in your GPS?



So, while you may not see the reason for a controller to ask a VFR
traffic to report airport in sight, doesn't mean it's a useless request.


No, but if there was a reason for a controller to ask a VFR aircraft on
flight following to report the field in sight I would see it. It's a
useless request because it has no useful purpose.



Plus, it may be a confort factor to the controller knowing the pilot does
have the airport in sight before turning him over to CTAF (or tower).


How might that affect the controller's comfort?

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Old December 11th 06, 05:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Ron Natalie
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
A Lieberma wrote:
Plenty of busy UNcontrolled and D class airports underlay the shelfs of B
and C....


Can you name some of them?


I can spot a few on the top 50 towers list put out by the FAA.
All are class D outside, but under the floor of class C/B airspace.

VNY is the busiest GA airport in the country. It's far busier by
any measure than BUR whose class C it underlies.

APA is the 25th busiest airport in the country and is under DEN's
shelf.

DVT is the 27th (under PHX).

LGB at #30 is under LAX.
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Old December 11th 06, 05:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Ron Natalie wrote:



I can spot a few on the top 50 towers list put out by the FAA.
All are class D outside, but under the floor of class C/B airspace.

VNY is the busiest GA airport in the country. It's far busier by
any measure than BUR whose class C it underlies.

Well not by any measure. It has zero scheduled air service.
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Old December 11th 06, 06:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
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Ron Natalie wrote:

I can spot a few on the top 50 towers list put out by the FAA.
All are class D outside, but under the floor of class C/B airspace.

VNY is the busiest GA airport in the country. It's far busier by
any measure than BUR whose class C it underlies.

APA is the 25th busiest airport in the country and is under DEN's
shelf.

DVT is the 27th (under PHX).

LGB at #30 is under LAX.


What would you do as you approached them while on flight following,
assuming you do not yet have the field in sight and the controller
instructed you to report the field?

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Old December 12th 06, 03:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mike Adams[_2_]
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

DVT is the 27th (under PHX).

What would you do as you approached them while on flight following,
assuming you do not yet have the field in sight and the controller
instructed you to report the field?


Well since this is my home base, I would terminate flight following and request a frequency change when
about 10 miles from the airport, so I could give the tower a call. That is, if approach hadn't dropped me
before that.

Mike

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Old December 12th 06, 03:33 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Steven P. McNicoll[_2_]
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Mike Adams wrote:

Well since this is my home base, I would terminate flight following and request a frequency change when
about 10 miles from the airport, so I could give the tower a call. That is, if approach hadn't dropped me
before that.


What about the report of the field in sight? Isn't safety compromised
if you terminate flight following before reporting the field in sight?

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Old December 12th 06, 03:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Mike Adams[_2_]
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


Mike Adams wrote:

Well since this is my home base, I would terminate flight following
and request a frequency change when about 10 miles from the airport,
so I could give the tower a call. That is, if approach hadn't dropped
me before that.


What about the report of the field in sight? Isn't safety compromised
if you terminate flight following before reporting the field in sight?


How so? I can find the airport without ATC's help.

At this particular airport, radar coverage is pretty crummy, so approach is more likely to terminate me
before the 10 mile point anyway, and visibility is usually not an issue.

Mike
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Old December 18th 06, 07:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Alan Gerber
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
A Lieberma wrote:
Plenty of busy UNcontrolled and D class airports underlay the shelfs of B
and C....

Can you name some of them?


Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU
(Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) -
all pretty busy Class D airports.

.... Alan

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Old December 18th 06, 07:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Alan Gerber writes:

Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU
(Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) -
all pretty busy Class D airports.


Underneath KPHX, Deer Valley, Scottsdale, Williams Gateway, Falcon
Field, Chandler. Scottsdale is very popular for GA, Williams handles
a lot of the overload from KPHX and is thus very busy for a Class D.

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Old December 18th 06, 11:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Alan Gerber" wrote in message
...

Underneath the New York Class B airspace: TEB (Teterboro), MMU
(Morristown), CDW (Caldwell), HPN (Westchester), and FRG (Farmingdale) -
all pretty busy Class D airports.


When you're in any of that Class D airspace, do you feel you should be
talking to the tower or still on flight following?



 




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