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December 12th 06, 01:53 PM
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Tomcat in Air and Space Museum
DDAY wrote: I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air and Space Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is one that shot down a MiG in 1989. Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why? Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in Kalamazoo a few weeks ago. D Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are best when on a 'stick' somewhere.... 
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December 13th 06, 12:44 AM
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December 13th 06, 02:12 AM
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Gordon wrote: wrote: DDAY wrote: I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air and Space Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is one that shot down a MiG in 1989. Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why? Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in Kalamazoo a few weeks ago. D Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are best when on a 'stick' somewhere.... You prefer Bugs?? First time I have seen someone not like their a/c. 'My' aircraft was the F-4... Personally, I hate the idea of an all- Effay Teen airwing - I keep waiting to see one with a rotodome! I understand all the reasons why it makes sense, but I just can't get over the decision to not re-wing the Intruders to keep a true bomb-truck in the arsenal. Were you flying them back when they were powered by the first anemic firetrap engines? (That would certainly explain it) I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines, crappy CADC...etc... I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to the analog F-16N I flew... Oh, and we have one of them at the Gillespie Field Annex to our San Diego Air & Space Museum. v/r Gordon ====(A+C)==== (my experience with the Turkey is participating in two at-sea rescues in 1980, a Pukin Dawg and a Ghostrider).
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December 14th 06, 01:55 PM
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Tomcat in Air and Space Museum
Harry Andreas wrote: In article . com, wrote: Gordon wrote: wrote: DDAY wrote: I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air and Space Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is one that shot down a MiG in 1989. Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why? Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in Kalamazoo a few weeks ago. D Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are best when on a 'stick' somewhere.... You prefer Bugs?? First time I have seen someone not like their a/c. 'My' aircraft was the F-4... Personally, I hate the idea of an all- Effay Teen airwing - I keep waiting to see one with a rotodome! I understand all the reasons why it makes sense, but I just can't get over the decision to not re-wing the Intruders to keep a true bomb-truck in the arsenal. Were you flying them back when they were powered by the first anemic firetrap engines? (That would certainly explain it) I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines, crappy CADC...etc... I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to the analog F-16N I flew... unless you need to fire a missile... -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur ???Don't know what you mean? F-16N had all the plumbing for Aim-9...even tho they were training aides only...just like the first gen F-16....
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December 14th 06, 05:50 PM
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December 15th 06, 12:48 AM
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Harry Andreas wrote: In article . com, wrote: I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines, crappy CADC...etc... I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to the analog F-16N I flew... unless you need to fire a missile... -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur ???Don't know what you mean? F-16N had all the plumbing for Aim-9...even tho they were training aides only...just like the first gen F-16.... I worked on the radars for the various versions of the F-14. I've also observed the F-16's radar (N was a Block 30 IIRC) with the APG-66 was pretty woeful compared to the AWG-9 or APG-71. There's just no comparison. The radar is part of the Avionics suite BTW... -- Harry Andreas Engineering raconteur Except when the fookin radar didn't work, it didn't matter how good it was on paper. In the 12 months I flew the F-16, I launched w/o a radar exactly ZERO times, in about 450 hrs...I had a radar fail once in that time. It was standard to launch off the boat(VF-31, USS Forrestal) w/o a stinkin radar about 30 days into the cruise. I saw better radar availability with the F-4S(Awg-10) than I EVER did with the AWG-9...APG-71 had MUCH better availability than the HAWG-9....The inspired by the A-6, designed in the late 60s, F-14, never to be modified in the 2 decades it existed, was an embarrassment when compared to aircraft like the F-16C and F-15C/E....even the 'D' model...too little too late. If the F-14A became the 'C' model like it was supposed to, along the lines of USAF and now F-18 A/C, the F-18F wouldn't exist.
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