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Old December 12th 06, 01:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
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DDAY wrote:
I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air and Space
Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an
F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is one that
shot down a MiG in 1989.

Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why?

Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in Kalamazoo a
few weeks ago.



D


Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are
best when on a 'stick' somewhere....

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Old December 13th 06, 12:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
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wrote:
DDAY wrote:
I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air and Space
Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an
F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is one that
shot down a MiG in 1989.

Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why?

Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in Kalamazoo a
few weeks ago.



D


Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are
best when on a 'stick' somewhere....


You prefer Bugs?? First time I have seen someone not like their a/c.
Personally, I hate the idea of an all- Effay Teen airwing - I keep
waiting to see one with a rotodome! I understand all the reasons why
it makes sense, but I just can't get over the decision to not re-wing
the Intruders to keep a true bomb-truck in the arsenal.

Were you flying them back when they were powered by the first anemic
firetrap engines? (That would certainly explain it)

Oh, and we have one of them at the Gillespie Field Annex to our San
Diego Air & Space Museum.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C)====
(my experience with the Turkey is participating in two at-sea rescues
in 1980, a Pukin Dawg and a Ghostrider).

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Old December 13th 06, 02:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
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Gordon wrote:
wrote:
DDAY wrote:
I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air and Space
Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an
F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is one that
shot down a MiG in 1989.

Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why?

Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in Kalamazoo a
few weeks ago.



D


Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are
best when on a 'stick' somewhere....


You prefer Bugs?? First time I have seen someone not like their a/c.


'My' aircraft was the F-4...

Personally, I hate the idea of an all- Effay Teen airwing - I keep
waiting to see one with a rotodome! I understand all the reasons why
it makes sense, but I just can't get over the decision to not re-wing
the Intruders to keep a true bomb-truck in the arsenal.

Were you flying them back when they were powered by the first anemic
firetrap engines? (That would certainly explain it)


I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines,
crappy CADC...etc...
I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the
F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to
the analog F-16N I flew...


Oh, and we have one of them at the Gillespie Field Annex to our San
Diego Air & Space Museum.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C)====
(my experience with the Turkey is participating in two at-sea rescues
in 1980, a Pukin Dawg and a Ghostrider).


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Old December 13th 06, 11:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
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In article . com,
wrote:

Gordon wrote:
wrote:
DDAY wrote:
I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air

and Space
Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an
F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is

one that
shot down a MiG in 1989.

Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why?

Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in

Kalamazoo a
few weeks ago.



D

Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are
best when on a 'stick' somewhere....


You prefer Bugs?? First time I have seen someone not like their a/c.


'My' aircraft was the F-4...

Personally, I hate the idea of an all- Effay Teen airwing - I keep
waiting to see one with a rotodome! I understand all the reasons why
it makes sense, but I just can't get over the decision to not re-wing
the Intruders to keep a true bomb-truck in the arsenal.

Were you flying them back when they were powered by the first anemic
firetrap engines? (That would certainly explain it)


I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines,
crappy CADC...etc...
I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the
F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to
the analog F-16N I flew...


unless you need to fire a missile...

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur
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Old December 14th 06, 01:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
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Harry Andreas wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

Gordon wrote:
wrote:
DDAY wrote:
I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air

and Space
Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an
F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is

one that
shot down a MiG in 1989.

Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why?

Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in

Kalamazoo a
few weeks ago.



D

Not a fan of the Turkey(I have over 1000 hrs in them), think they are
best when on a 'stick' somewhere....

You prefer Bugs?? First time I have seen someone not like their a/c.


'My' aircraft was the F-4...

Personally, I hate the idea of an all- Effay Teen airwing - I keep
waiting to see one with a rotodome! I understand all the reasons why
it makes sense, but I just can't get over the decision to not re-wing
the Intruders to keep a true bomb-truck in the arsenal.

Were you flying them back when they were powered by the first anemic
firetrap engines? (That would certainly explain it)


I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines,
crappy CADC...etc...
I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the
F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to
the analog F-16N I flew...


unless you need to fire a missile...

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur


???Don't know what you mean? F-16N had all the plumbing for
Aim-9...even tho they were training aides only...just like the first
gen F-16....

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Old December 15th 06, 12:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.military.naval
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Harry Andreas wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines,
crappy CADC...etc...
I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the
F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to
the analog F-16N I flew...

unless you need to fire a missile...

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur


???Don't know what you mean? F-16N had all the plumbing for
Aim-9...even tho they were training aides only...just like the first
gen F-16....


I worked on the radars for the various versions of the F-14.
I've also observed the F-16's radar (N was a Block 30 IIRC)
with the APG-66 was pretty woeful compared to the AWG-9 or
APG-71.
There's just no comparison.
The radar is part of the Avionics suite BTW...

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur


Except when the fookin radar didn't work, it didn't matter how good it
was on paper. In the 12 months I flew the F-16, I launched w/o a radar
exactly ZERO times, in about 450 hrs...I had a radar fail once in that
time. It was standard to launch off the boat(VF-31, USS Forrestal) w/o
a stinkin radar about 30 days into the cruise. I saw better radar
availability with the F-4S(Awg-10) than I EVER did with the
AWG-9...APG-71 had MUCH better availability than the HAWG-9....The
inspired by the A-6, designed in the late 60s, F-14, never to be
modified in the 2 decades it existed, was an embarrassment when
compared to aircraft like the F-16C and F-15C/E....even the 'D'
model...too little too late. If the F-14A became the 'C' model like it
was supposed to, along the lines of USAF and now F-18 A/C, the F-18F
wouldn't exist.

 




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