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All official aviation related world records are maintained by the FAI. You
can view records at http://www.fai.org/records

When viewing the link, the first thing I noticed is that the FAI does not
have an "Ultralight" category. However, if you check airplanes under 300
kg/piston powered, you will not find him as the current or historical holder
of the an altitude record. The same is true for the Microlight category.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder



"Al G" wrote in message
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"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message
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Among Campbell's many other lofty accomplishments are his 1981 Ultralight
World
Record High Altitude flight to 21,210 feet over Lakehurst, New Jersey

Really? Wouldn't the FAI know about it? A google search "FAI Campbell"
comes up with a Sue Campbell, but I didn't see a James. What am I missing?

Al G

I just noticed Steve Fossett's glider altitude record flight does not appear
in http://www.fai.org/records. However, I am sure it will be there in the
near future. (http://records.fai.org/gliding/pending.asp)

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder


"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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All official aviation related world records are maintained by the FAI.
You can view records at http://www.fai.org/records

When viewing the link, the first thing I noticed is that the FAI does not
have an "Ultralight" category. However, if you check airplanes under 300
kg/piston powered, you will not find him as the current or historical
holder of the an altitude record. The same is true for the Microlight
category.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder



"Al G" wrote in message
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"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message
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snip

Among Campbell's many other lofty accomplishments are his 1981
Ultralight World
Record High Altitude flight to 21,210 feet over Lakehurst, New Jersey

Really? Wouldn't the FAI know about it? A google search "FAI Campbell"
comes up with a Sue Campbell, but I didn't see a James. What am I
missing?

Al G

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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All official aviation related world records are maintained by the FAI.
You can view records at http://www.fai.org/records

This statement is false.

FAI only records aviation records for which it has chosen to establish
categories. It does not maintain "all official aviation related world
records."



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OK Juan, who then IS the official organization the maintains aviation world
records if it isn't the Federation Aeronautique Internationale?


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"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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All official aviation related world records are maintained by the FAI.
You can view records at http://www.fai.org/records

This statement is false.

FAI only records aviation records for which it has chosen to establish
categories. It does not maintain "all official aviation related world
records."


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The NAA has some aviation-related records that FAI doesn't keep track of.
Guinness World Records has others as well. That's easy to verify.

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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OK Juan, who then IS the official organization the maintains aviation
world records if it isn't the Federation Aeronautique Internationale?


"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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All official aviation related world records are maintained by the FAI.
You can view records at http://www.fai.org/records

This statement is false.

FAI only records aviation records for which it has chosen to establish
categories. It does not maintain "all official aviation related world
records."


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Juan, the NAA is an U.S. organization. I am only familiar with FAI glider
categories. The FAI does record glider close course speed records. (300 km,
500 km and 1000 km triangles as well as similar out and return records. In
years past there was also a 100 km category) I am sure the FAI maintains
similar close course speed records for airplanes/seaplanes.

I tried to find aviation records on the Geinness site
(http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/default.aspx); however was
unsuccessful.



"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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The NAA has some aviation-related records that FAI doesn't keep track of.
Guinness World Records has others as well. That's easy to verify.

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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OK Juan, who then IS the official organization the maintains aviation
world records if it isn't the Federation Aeronautique Internationale?


"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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All official aviation related world records are maintained by the FAI.
You can view records at http://www.fai.org/records

This statement is false.

FAI only records aviation records for which it has chosen to establish
categories. It does not maintain "all official aviation related world
records."

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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Juan, the NAA is an U.S. organization. I am only familiar with FAI glider
categories.

That may explain why you think the FAI keeps all aviation related records.
It doesn't.




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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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The NAA has some aviation-related records that FAI doesn't keep track of.
Guinness World Records has others as well. That's easy to verify.


The NAA is a US organization that sanctions and records US records. I am a
member and hold 3 records. There are several National record categories that
do not exist on a World Level, economy records for instance.

World records are sanctioned and recorded by the FAI. (Note the period) The
FAI is the ONLY internationally recognized authority. If you hold a World
record, I hold 2, your record is recorded by the FAI.

FAI only records aviation records for which it has chosen to establish
categories. It does not maintain "all official aviation related world
records."


Was this attempt in an aircraft outside of the established categories? How?

Was this record attempt sanctioned by either organization?

Were there some kind of witnesses?

You can't just fly something somewhere and claim you hold a "World Record"
doing it.

Alan Gerharter

"Al G" wrote in message
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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The NAA has some aviation-related records that FAI doesn't keep track of.
Guinness World Records has others as well. That's easy to verify.


The NAA is a US organization that sanctions and records US records. I am a
member and hold 3 records. There are several National record categories
that do not exist on a World Level, economy records for instance.

World records are sanctioned and recorded by the FAI. (Note the period)
The FAI is the ONLY internationally recognized authority. If you hold a
World record, I hold 2, your record is recorded by the FAI.

Sorry, but you're wrong too. Only those records in categories the FAI
recognizes are sanctioned and recorded by FAI.

FAI only records aviation records for which it has chosen to establish
categories. It does not maintain "all official aviation related world
records."


Was this attempt in an aircraft outside of the established categories?
How?

Was this record attempt sanctioned by either organization?

Were there some kind of witnesses?

You can't just fly something somewhere and claim you hold a "World Record"
doing it.

That's for you to find out. I simply pointed out that Wayne's statement, and
yours now, are incorrect.



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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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The NAA has some aviation-related records that FAI doesn't keep track of.
Guinness World Records has others as well. That's easy to verify.


Ok, Juan, I did.


James Campbell holds NO World records.
He holds NO National Records.
He is a confirmed Liar.

A thorough search of FAI records shows no James Campbell, in any
category.

The US National records are not available for online search, so I called
Art Greenfield at the NAA, yesterday. He did a physical search of the
archives, and sent me this email a few minutes ago:

Hi Al:

I can find no record in our archives of the 1981 flight by Jim Campbell. The
August 1983 edition of National Geographic contains an article mentioning it
as an "unofficial record," so that probably explains why I cannot find it in
our archives.

Hope this information helps,

Art

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A.W. Greenfield

Director, Contest and Records

National Aeronautic Association

1737 King Street, Suite 220

Alexandria, VA 22314

http://www.naa.aero

Tel (703) 527-0226 (ext. 102)

Fax (703) 527-0229




Mr Paul wrote:

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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All official aviation related world records are maintained by the FAI. You
can view records at http://www.fai.org/records


To whit Juan replied:

This statement is false.
FAI only records aviation records for which it has chosen to establish
categories. It does not maintain "all official aviation related world
records."

Wrong, wrong, wrongitty wrong, wrong.

By Charter, that is exactly what the FAI does. From their website:
"FAI activities include the establishment of rules for the control and
certification of world aeronautical and astronautical records."

Categories start at 0kg, and go to unlimited. Outside your envelope?

Categories include Lighter than air, and heavier than air. Smoke and mirrors
are outside the category.

Some things not included in the FAI's categories:

1.) Magic

2.) Stunts

3.) Lies



The rocket racing league is shooting themselves in the foot here, big time.



Al G