FYI Bio zoom ZZZZZZZZ

"Mike Hogan" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:55:53 -0400, "Juan Jimenez"
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"DABEAR" wrote in message
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Some things not included in the FAI's categories:

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Any aviation-related records on issues such as:

- size
- weight
- capacity
- feats of strength associated with or performed with aircraft
- repetition records associated with aircraft
- anything not covered by FAI categories but clearly aviation-related

Mr. Jimenez, does any orgaization, anwhere, not controlled by Mr.
Campbell, recognize Mr. Campbell's record as a current or past record?
It's a simple question.

Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the source?



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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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"Mike Hogan" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:55:53 -0400, "Juan Jimenez"
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"DABEAR" wrote in message
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Some things not included in the FAI's categories:

mercy snipped

Any aviation-related records on issues such as:

- size
- weight
- capacity
- feats of strength associated with or performed with aircraft
- repetition records associated with aircraft
- anything not covered by FAI categories but clearly aviation-related

Mr. Jimenez, does any orgaization, anwhere, not controlled by Mr.
Campbell, recognize Mr. Campbell's record as a current or past record?
It's a simple question.

Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the source?


I got an email from Zoom yesterday. Beyond the usual stuff: threats, get
a lawyer, besmirched his rep, I made false claims, etc. he admits his flight
constituted no more than an "unofficial record". He's kinda shy, and doesn't
want me to reveal or rely on anything he says. You know the "Legal" notice:
"No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this
information.". Anyway, he did answer my question. No, his flight was not
sanctioned by any recognized authority. He made no mention of any barograph
or other recoding instrument to verify any accomplishment. It is in no way a
recognized "World Record". He apparently took off, went away for a while,
came back, landed, and claimed a "Record". I believe he has many pictures on
the ground.

My position remains unchanged. His Bio has inaccuracies that should be
corrected. I notified the RRL through their web contact button of the
inaccuracy of the "World Record" claim. Zoom should change his Bio to
reflect fact.

The Rocket Racing League, is in its infancy. Right now it needs support
and sponsors, and credibility.

Zoom isn't helping there a bit.


Al G

"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the source?


He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to verify
any accomplishment.

http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.

Are you sure you got that email from Jim?

Juan



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I don't know about you guys, but whenever I see one of Juan's posts, I get a crisp, clear mental image of a small, persistently-yapping chihuahua.

I don't think you guys are being fair to him. He seems to be almost as mentally unstable as Jim Campbell. Has anyone seen this BD-5J of his actually flying?

"Chris Wells" wrote in message
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I don't know about you guys, but whenever I see one of Juan's posts, I
get a crisp, clear mental image of a small, persistently-yapping
chihuahua.

You shouldn't eat so much taco bell, not with all that e-coli flopping
around. Gives you hallucinations.




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Juan Jimenez wrote:
"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the source?


He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to verify
any accomplishment.

http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.

Are you sure you got that email from Jim?

Juan



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Supposing (and that is a looonnng 'suppose') that the barograph
actually existed. What part of a barograph that wasn't sealed and
certified by a disinterestped party did you not understand? Claiming
that "I made a record and here is the barograph" Is just about as
credible as "I made a record and (points) there is the cloud I flew
above in that (points) plane"
That is, exactly no credibility at all.

Harry K

Kinda funny actually.... I lived in New Jersey during the time period
mentioned. Couldn't remember a show in Lakehurst. Thought maybe it was my
Air Force bias, so I did a search. And searched. And searched some more.
I cannot find a single historical reference to an airshow at Lakehurst in
1981. Found several references for the Memorial Day airshow at McGuire AFB,
which is what I thought I remembered. Not far apart geographically, but
worlds apart for a pilot. For the record, the Mcguire airshow is one of the
largest in the east each year. I sincerely doubt, given factors such as
parking, crowd & traffic control and airspace control, that two military
installations so close to each other would have competing airshows. Makes
this whole insane asylum even more interesting and mysterious.

"Harry K" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the
source?


He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to
verify
any accomplishment.

http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.

Are you sure you got that email from Jim?

Juan



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Supposing (and that is a looonnng 'suppose') that the barograph
actually existed. What part of a barograph that wasn't sealed and
certified by a disinterestped party did you not understand? Claiming
that "I made a record and here is the barograph" Is just about as
credible as "I made a record and (points) there is the cloud I flew
above in that (points) plane"
That is, exactly no credibility at all.

Harry K

"Harry K" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the
source?


He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to
verify
any accomplishment.

http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.

Are you sure you got that email from Jim?

Juan



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Supposing (and that is a looonnng 'suppose') that the barograph
actually existed. What part of a barograph that wasn't sealed and
certified by a disinterestped party did you not understand? Claiming
that "I made a record and here is the barograph" Is just about as
credible as "I made a record and (points) there is the cloud I flew
above in that (points) plane"
That is, exactly no credibility at all.

So go ask. That was Lakehurst NAS. Plenty of people were there. I'm sure you
can find someone who was there and can prove or disprove.



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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the source?


He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to
verify any accomplishment.

http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.



Didn't see it in the email.


Are you sure you got that email from Jim?



I can't tell you or I'd have to kill you. You have seen some of his email
haven't you? Apparently I should be seeking legal council right now.


I've got no big thing for zoom, generally he is harmless to the well
informed.

I have not said anywhere that his flight didn't occur.

I have said that he is claiming a title he has not earned, and that I, as
one who has earned the title, object.

All I ask is that he remove reference to "World Record", and replace it with
something more appropriate, say "Personal Best".

If an advisory board member of an aviation organization claimed to be a
pilot and wasn't, would you correct him?

That too is easily verifiable, and there is but one recognized authority.
You wouldn't accept someone's unofficial license, would you?


Al G

The issue of a record is fairly easily dispensed with if not silenced.
Without the benefit of independant documentation the attempt or feat simply
never occurred. There are many persons today with the opinion that Jacob
Brodbeck or Gustav Whitehead achieved the world's first powered flight years
before the Wright brothers. The claims are not silenced by the fact that
only the Wrights had their attempt (and success) documented properly. The
others are simply pretenders, they may not be liars, but they hold no record
and all the claims in the world will not change recorded fact.

The same principal may well apply in the case your ZZZ fellow. He makes an
unrecognized claim, there appears to be no record of fact to back the claim
and in official terms that means it never happened, he is (or was) also a
self admitted liar. But that is unlikely to stifle the claim, especially
from someone so clearly enamoured of himself.