FYI Bio zoom ZZZZZZZZ

"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the source?


He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to
verify any accomplishment.

http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.



Didn't see it in the email.


Are you sure you got that email from Jim?



I can't tell you or I'd have to kill you. You have seen some of his email
haven't you? Apparently I should be seeking legal council right now.


I've got no big thing for zoom, generally he is harmless to the well
informed.

I have not said anywhere that his flight didn't occur.

I have said that he is claiming a title he has not earned, and that I, as
one who has earned the title, object.

All I ask is that he remove reference to "World Record", and replace it with
something more appropriate, say "Personal Best".

If an advisory board member of an aviation organization claimed to be a
pilot and wasn't, would you correct him?

That too is easily verifiable, and there is but one recognized authority.
You wouldn't accept someone's unofficial license, would you?


Al G

The issue of a record is fairly easily dispensed with if not silenced.
Without the benefit of independant documentation the attempt or feat simply
never occurred. There are many persons today with the opinion that Jacob
Brodbeck or Gustav Whitehead achieved the world's first powered flight years
before the Wright brothers. The claims are not silenced by the fact that
only the Wrights had their attempt (and success) documented properly. The
others are simply pretenders, they may not be liars, but they hold no record
and all the claims in the world will not change recorded fact.

The same principal may well apply in the case your ZZZ fellow. He makes an
unrecognized claim, there appears to be no record of fact to back the claim
and in official terms that means it never happened, he is (or was) also a
self admitted liar. But that is unlikely to stifle the claim, especially
from someone so clearly enamoured of himself.

"Jethro" wrote in message
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The issue of a record is fairly easily dispensed with if not silenced.
Without the benefit of independant documentation the attempt or feat
simply never occurred.

So, if no one hears the tree fall, it never happened. Interesting.

There are many persons today with the opinion that Jacob Brodbeck or
Gustav Whitehead achieved the world's first powered flight years before
the Wright brothers. The claims are not silenced by the fact that only the
Wrights had their attempt (and success) documented properly.

Silenced? I believe you can rest assured such is not the case. Go look him
up on Google. It's amazing how loud silence can actually be, if you're
listening.

Juan



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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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Silenced? I believe you can rest assured such is not the case. Go look him
up on Google. It's amazing how loud silence can actually be, if you're
listening.

Juan

I have no doubt that he will never be silenced, nor his critics. The one
blessing is that unlike the Wrights nobody will likely be arguing about ZZZ
in a hundred years. It's not so much if a tree falls, it's more a case of if
you rob a liquor store and nobody can place you at the scene, you didn't do
it in the eyes of any judge. I know a man who claims to have hit twenty
hole-in-one shots, all without witnesses. I completely disregard his claim,
as I do some others. I've hit a single hole-in-one and doubt I'll ever hit
another, but my name is on the clubhouse wall and his isn't.

"Jethro" wrote in message
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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Silenced? I believe you can rest assured such is not the case. Go look
him up on Google. It's amazing how loud silence can actually be, if
you're listening.

Juan

I have no doubt that he will never be silenced, nor his critics. The one
blessing is that unlike the Wrights nobody will likely be arguing about
ZZZ in a hundred years.

Could be, but you can rest assured the chances of someone talking about you
in a hundred years is but a very small fraction of that.

It's not so much if a tree falls, it's more a case of if you rob a liquor
store and nobody can place you at the scene, you didn't do it in the eyes
of any judge.

chuckle The last time I checked, Lakehurst NAS used to draw literally
hundreds of thousands of people, particularly for their Blue Angels
performances. You gotta work on your analogies, pal.

I know a man who claims to have hit twenty hole-in-one shots, all without
witnesses. I completely disregard his claim, as I do some others. I've hit
a single hole-in-one and doubt I'll ever hit another, but my name is on
the clubhouse wall and his isn't.

I tried golf. Once, got a birthday gift, 10 hours of lessons. Was being
taught how to hit the ball with the #1, at the driving range. I sucked, then
got a bit better and whacked one hard, up and straight down the range. The
ball happened to hit a bird, one of those long legged white ones that hang
out at landfills and near shorelines. I'm probably the only person in Puerto
Rico to have ever accomplished such a feat at a driving range. There must
have been some 50 people there, all practicing, just a 30 second walk from
the clubhouse. They were all astounded. No plaque on the wall, no record.
The only one I care about who was there to remember was my son. Do you think
I give a flying intercourse who else remembers, whether any photos were
taken, who were the witnesses, etc.?



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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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Could be, but you can rest assured the chances of someone talking about
you in a hundred years is but a very small fraction of that.

I have never sought attention or the recognition of others, in fact I
dislike it. So I am quite glad that nobody will be discussing me in any way
next week let alone in years.


It's not so much if a tree falls, it's more a case of if you rob a liquor
store and nobody can place you at the scene, you didn't do it in the eyes
of any judge.

chuckle The last time I checked, Lakehurst NAS used to draw literally
hundreds of thousands of people, particularly for their Blue Angels
performances. You gotta work on your analogies, pal.

All those people and nobody to document or witness? And yet the claimant
doesn't appear to be the type to avoid the limelight. Curious. Is the
analogy imperfect? Lets see: lack of witnesses, didn't happen, I hit all the
main points. Oh well, analogies are seldom perfect.

Sorry you didn't like golf, it's a social sport. Driving ranges are not much
like golf, I know some fellows that are pure dynamite on a driving mat who
play fairly poorly. I play mediocre golf, but my partners and I usually
manage to have a pleasant day. Last word to you of course (like I could stop
you!).

"Jethro" wrote in message
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All those people and nobody to document or witness?

It was 25 years ago. Are you good at detective work? Have fun!

Sorry you didn't like golf, it's a social sport. Driving ranges are not
much like golf, I know some fellows that are pure dynamite on a driving
mat who play fairly poorly. I play mediocre golf, but my partners and I
usually manage to have a pleasant day. Last word to you of course (like I
could stop you!).

Be glad to.

Puertoricans don't need a sport to socialize, and we don't have to work at
it (or pay for it) to have a pleasant day with our friends. To us, it comes
naturally.



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"Al G" wrote in message
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the
source?

He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to
verify any accomplishment.

http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.

Didn't see it in the email.

Are you sure you got that email from Jim?

I can't tell you or I'd have to kill you. You have seen some of his email
haven't you? Apparently I should be seeking legal council right now.

Unhuh. Yeah, sure.

I've got no big thing for zoom, generally he is harmless to the well
informed.

I have not said anywhere that his flight didn't occur.

I have said that he is claiming a title he has not earned, and that I, as
one who has earned the title, object.

All I ask is that he remove reference to "World Record", and replace it
with something more appropriate, say "Personal Best".

I admit that sounds reasonable, if in fact the events are as you describe
them.

If an advisory board member of an aviation organization claimed to be a
pilot and wasn't, would you correct him?

In that we do agree.

That too is easily verifiable, and there is but one recognized authority.
You wouldn't accept someone's unofficial license, would you?

Except for the fact that you can ask to be removed from public records that
state you have a license. Go look up Jim in the FAA pilot database. He's not
there, but he definitely has a pilot's license, I have seen it.

Juan



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Juan Jimenez wrote:
"Al G" wrote in message
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"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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"Al G" wrote in message
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Go ask Mr. Campbell, Mike. Why come to me when you can go to the
source?
He made no mention of any barograph or other recoding instrument to
verify any accomplishment.
http://www.aero-news.net/Community/D...1905&Refresh=1

The barograph is mentioned right there next to the altitude, Al.

Didn't see it in the email.

Are you sure you got that email from Jim?
I can't tell you or I'd have to kill you. You have seen some of his email
haven't you? Apparently I should be seeking legal council right now.

Unhuh. Yeah, sure.

I've got no big thing for zoom, generally he is harmless to the well
informed.

I have not said anywhere that his flight didn't occur.

I have said that he is claiming a title he has not earned, and that I, as
one who has earned the title, object.

All I ask is that he remove reference to "World Record", and replace it
with something more appropriate, say "Personal Best".

I admit that sounds reasonable, if in fact the events are as you describe
them.

If an advisory board member of an aviation organization claimed to be a
pilot and wasn't, would you correct him?

In that we do agree.

That too is easily verifiable, and there is but one recognized authority.
You wouldn't accept someone's unofficial license, would you?

Except for the fact that you can ask to be removed from public records that
state you have a license. Go look up Jim in the FAA pilot database. He's not
there, but he definitely has a pilot's license, I have seen it.

Juan

It was revoked for his having failed a medical by being mentally ill.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Juan Jimenez wrote:
Except for the fact that you can ask to be removed from public records that
state you have a license. Go look up Jim in the FAA pilot database. He's not
there, but he definitely has a pilot's license, I have seen it.

Juan


Well, the real questions is, with all these claims of him flying so
many thousands of hours, is he actually using that license or are the
hours faked...

....have you also seen his logbooks? Can he back up every flight
claimed with his, own, written record?