Co-pilots May Sim instead of Fly to Train

"Kev" wrote in message
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BDS wrote:
Do I think either of them could do it for real just because they did it
in
the office on the sim - nope, not a chance. What does this tell me? -
just
because you can do it in the sim doesn't mean you can do it when it
counts.

True, it doesn't mean you can't either, or that some sim time wouldn't
have helped.

Agreed - sim time is valuable for many things, but I do not believe that it
can take the place of real life training and experience. Each has its
place, and each is valuable in its own way.

I "gut feel' the same way, but I'm guessing that future sims will do so
a lot... partly because actual experience doesn't let you play out a
lot of dangerous scenarios. For example, I was surprised several
years back when I tried an engine-out in clouds in MSFS just for fun.
Guess what happened as I glided down? The AI slowly spun down and
tipped over, because of no engine vacuum! Holy moly, eye opener.
This is not something that happens in real-life practice sessions
because we don't actually shut down the engine.

It happens when you practice partial panel with instruments covered up -
obviously the engine is still running but if you are lousy at partial panel
all that may do is get you to the scene of the crash faster.

That said, there is no doubt that sims can give you training in scenarios
that would be impractical, difficult, or too dangerous to set up in real
life. That's what simulator-based recurrency training is all about.

BDS

This is not something that happens in real-life practice sessions
because we don't actually shut down the engine.

It happens when you practice partial panel with instruments covered up -

Yes, but then you =know= you don't have the AI. If it's a surprise to
you, you may follow the failed AI into the ground. (Ok, chances are
good you're visual, and if you're not, you're in doo doo anyway)

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BDS writes:

It happens when you practice partial panel with instruments covered up -
obviously the engine is still running but if you are lousy at partial panel
all that may do is get you to the scene of the crash faster.

If you want real-life practice, shut down the engine, and make sure
that it is not restartable. Otherwise it's just ... simulation.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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BDS writes:

It happens when you practice partial panel with instruments covered up -
obviously the engine is still running but if you are lousy at partial
panel
all that may do is get you to the scene of the crash faster.

If you want real-life practice, shut down the engine, and make sure
that it is not restartable. Otherwise it's just ... simulation.

Maybe so, but it's a far cry from the type of simulation you are doing
sitting in front of your PC. The level of stress is much higher and the
pilot gets experience performing under stress. This doesn't matter if
flying a sim is your goal in life, but it helps if flying in the real world
is.

BDS

BDS writes:

Maybe so, but it's a far cry from the type of simulation you are doing
sitting in front of your PC.

There are all different types of simulation, and they all have their
purpose.

Just idling an engine is not at all the same as losing it completely,
and in this instance, a PC simulation may actually be closer to
reality.

The level of stress is much higher and the pilot gets experience
performing under stress.

There's a lot more to flying than stress. Stress isn't any good if
you don't know what to do.

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