Beechcraft sold

Mxsmanic wrote:

The new company won't care. The idea is to make as much money as
possible as quickly as possible, and then sell the remains for scrap.

Raytheon's aircraft subsidiary was making $200 million, or a
lousy 6% on the $3.3 billion to purchase it. Only a moron would
think this is a way to make a quick buck. Like raise prices for
more profit to get a decent return, and that won't reduce market
share, and still later sell it all off for more than $3.3
billion. Or much less as "scrap," to use your idiotic reference.

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TxSrv writes:

Raytheon's aircraft subsidiary was making $200 million, or a
lousy 6% on the $3.3 billion to purchase it. Only a moron would
think this is a way to make a quick buck.

What makes you think the buyers intend to continue operating the
company?

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
| As an instructor, I get to fly a lot of different
airplanes and talk to
| a lot of owners. I'm convinced that the only people who
hate Beech
| airplanes are those who haven't flown them.
|
| I didn't say I hated Beech -- far from it. Although none
of their
| birds fits my current mission, which requires lots of
economical
| lifting capacity and a wide CG range -- I would LOVE to
own a Bonanza
| some day.
|
| What I said was that they have become irrelevant. They
sell a tiny
| number of aircraft each year (thanks to their outrageous
pricing), and
| the last new aircraft design to come out of Beech
was....what? I
| can't think of anything new since the Starship debacle of
the early
| 1980s.
|
| Since that occurred right after I graduated from
college -- and I'm now
| 48 years old -- I think I'm safe in saying that Beech has
become
| irrelevant to aviation. If they went away tomorrow, we
would all shed
| a tear for the Beech line -- but it would have zero impact
on general
| aviation.
|
| The same cannot be said, for example, of Cessna, Piper,
Cirrus or
| Columbia.
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news : Premier jet is an original Beech design.


More of a clean sheet Hawker design don't you think? This new company (Hawker Beechcraft?) does a lot of fab work, and
the Premier contains a lot of composite (fuselage?) also...

In article om,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

As an instructor, I get to fly a lot of different airplanes and talk to
a lot of owners. I'm convinced that the only people who hate Beech
airplanes are those who haven't flown them.

I didn't say I hated Beech -- far from it. Although none of their
birds fits my current mission, which requires lots of economical
lifting capacity and a wide CG range -- I would LOVE to own a Bonanza
some day.

What I said was that they have become irrelevant. They sell a tiny
number of aircraft each year (thanks to their outrageous pricing), and
the last new aircraft design to come out of Beech was....what? I
can't think of anything new since the Starship debacle of the early
1980s.

Since that occurred right after I graduated from college -- and I'm now
48 years old -- I think I'm safe in saying that Beech has become
irrelevant to aviation. If they went away tomorrow, we would all shed
a tear for the Beech line -- but it would have zero impact on general
aviation.

The same cannot be said, for example, of Cessna, Piper, Cirrus or
Columbia.

What on earth has Cessna or Piper done in the last 20 years? The 172
Cessna is selling today is the same airframe they were selling 20 years
ago, just with a glass panel, 13(!) fuel drains, and 100 lbs less useful
load. Same with Piper. I was in a brand new Archer a couple of years ago;
the biggest change they had managed to make was to move some of the
switches to an overhead panel which made the windshield smaller and reduced
forward/upward visibility. Made it look cool (like a miniature airliner),
but a net decrease in safety.

Cirrus, Katana, Columbia, and the like are the future of GA today.
Assuming there is any future left in GA :-(

The 172
Cessna is selling today is the same airframe they were selling 20 years
ago, just with a glass panel, 13(!) fuel drains, and 100 lbs less useful
load.

In all fairness, it picked up twenty knots.

Jose
--
"There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing. Unfortunately, nobody knows
what they are." - (mike).
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"Jose" wrote in message
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The 172 Cessna is selling today is the same airframe they were selling 20
years ago, just with a glass panel, 13(!) fuel drains, and 100 lbs less
useful load.

In all fairness, it picked up twenty knots.

With increased fuel burn, to match!
--
Jim in NC

In all fairness, it picked up twenty knots.
With increased fuel burn, to match!

That's what fuel is for. Nothing is free.

Jose
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what they are." - (mike).
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What on earth has Cessna or Piper done in the last 20 years?

I agree, they've been late to the game -- but at least they're starting
to get the hang of it.

Cessna is especially exciting, with their new LSA and composite planes.
Piper is shaking itself out of its old union mentality, and actually
looking at new things -- like jets. (When I heard Chuck Suma, Piper's
old CEO, making fun of Cirrus' "plastic planes" at the Cherokee Pilots
Association dinner in 2005, I knew he was history. 3 months later, he
got the axe.)

Raytheon/Beech still hasn't figured it out. Maybe the new owners will?


Cirrus, Katana, Columbia, and the like are the future of GA today.

No argument there -- although it may not be too late for Piper/Cessna
to recover. The fact that they've survived is a sign of underlying
strength.

Assuming there is any future left in GA :-(

Whether GA itself survives is a political, not economic, decision. If
the political class decides to tax it out of existence, as they've done
in Europe, GA will die.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
What on earth has Cessna or Piper done in the last 20 years?

I agree, they've been late to the game -- but at least they're starting
to get the hang of it.

Cessna is especially exciting, with their new LSA and composite planes.
Piper is shaking itself out of its old union mentality, and actually
looking at new things -- like jets. (When I heard Chuck Suma, Piper's
old CEO, making fun of Cirrus' "plastic planes" at the Cherokee Pilots
Association dinner in 2005, I knew he was history. 3 months later, he
got the axe.)

Raytheon/Beech still hasn't figured it out. Maybe the new owners will?


Cirrus, Katana, Columbia, and the like are the future of GA today.

No argument there -- although it may not be too late for Piper/Cessna
to recover. The fact that they've survived is a sign of underlying
strength.

How much $$$ is Cessna making on Citations? On SEs? What's their backorder
on the Citation X?


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)