Beechcraft sold

Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:

I've long come to the conclusion that most everyone who
invests in GA is not doing it for money. It just almost never makes any
business sense.

Probably, but the companies doing the buying in this case are well
known for their interest in money, and money alone, which is
worrisome.

I look at all the times Mooney has been sold. Someone
bought them. Yes, they make a fabulous product but what information do
they have that would suggest it would ever be profitable.

Who has bought Mooney over the years?

Sorry, my newsgroup ISP doesn't allow posts that long.

-Robert

"Aluckyguess" wrote :

The Cirrus needs the autopilot to fly straight and level.

Baloney.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Burns writes:

Yep, and doesn't "private equity fund" sound like a hedge fund??

Whenever a company buys another company for pure purposes of financial
gain, the company acquired usually suffers and often disappears. This
is probably very bad news for Beechcraft.

That's the old zero sum myth.

-Robert

Aluckyguess schrieb:

They would all be superior to anything else on the market.
Their only problem is price,

It's pretty simple to build something superior when money isn't a factor.

Many have commented that their planes are great, but the price is to high.
The implication is that they could lower their price, sell more planes, and
still make a profit.

Okay, why is their price so high compared to other manufacturers? The
technology is stable, the price of raw materials has to be equal to the cost
for other manufacturers, labor costs have to be near that of other
manufacturers, and insurance costs have to be near that of other
manufacturers. So, what makes their price so high?

In article ,
"Dan Luke" wrote:

"Aluckyguess" wrote :

The Cirrus needs the autopilot to fly straight and level.

Baloney.

well, I would need one since I'm left-handed.

I know, I know, I'm in the minority here wrt side-sticks. But I
really don't like side-sticks.

Two things turned me off the Lancair ES: one was it was very
heavy in roll, and the other was the side-stick.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Their designs require a lot of hand labor. When a mistake
is made on a sheet of aluminum, they start over, Cessna gets
engineering approval to "fix" the mistake. That means they
drive rivets in the holes that were drilled in the wrong
place or use Bondo [Cessna term- aerodynamic fairing
compound] to fix the problem.

Beech uses self-exciting alternators, even on something like
the Skipper. Their electrical systems are designed to a
higher standard.

Beech never tried to flood the market. Back in the heyday,
Cessna was building several thousand airplanes a year and
Beech was happy to sell 1/4 of Cessna production numbers.
After the market crash, Cessna collapsed and Beech kept on
at near the same number of complex and turboprop deliveries.

Raw materials that Beech uses are premium leather, Cessna
uses 2nd grade leather if they use leather at all.



"Tom Conner" wrote in message
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| Many have commented that their planes are great, but the
price is to high.
| The implication is that they could lower their price, sell
more planes, and
| still make a profit.
|
| Okay, why is their price so high compared to other
manufacturers? The
| technology is stable, the price of raw materials has to be
equal to the cost
| for other manufacturers, labor costs have to be near that
of other
| manufacturers, and insurance costs have to be near that of
other
| manufacturers. So, what makes their price so high?
|
|

Premier jet is an original Beech design.
Raytheon Aircraft Company
Beechcraft Premier IA ... 08/03/2006 -, Guardian LP
Services Places Order for Nine Beechcraft Premier IAs. .
08/03/2006 -, Hawker 850XP to Tour South ...
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
| As an instructor, I get to fly a lot of different
airplanes and talk to
| a lot of owners. I'm convinced that the only people who
hate Beech
| airplanes are those who haven't flown them.
|
| I didn't say I hated Beech -- far from it. Although none
of their
| birds fits my current mission, which requires lots of
economical
| lifting capacity and a wide CG range -- I would LOVE to
own a Bonanza
| some day.
|
| What I said was that they have become irrelevant. They
sell a tiny
| number of aircraft each year (thanks to their outrageous
pricing), and
| the last new aircraft design to come out of Beech
was....what? I
| can't think of anything new since the Starship debacle of
the early
| 1980s.
|
| Since that occurred right after I graduated from
college -- and I'm now
| 48 years old -- I think I'm safe in saying that Beech has
become
| irrelevant to aviation. If they went away tomorrow, we
would all shed
| a tear for the Beech line -- but it would have zero impact
on general
| aviation.
|
| The same cannot be said, for example, of Cessna, Piper,
Cirrus or
| Columbia.
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

Actually Beech has many new, state of the art plants and
composite robots for production work. They build a lot of
parts for the big iron makers. Their old plants are well
used. But if you look at just the BEC airport/plant complex
you'll see that there are more new buildings than old.



Raytheon Aircraft Company
Beechcraft Premier IA ... 08/03/2006 -, Guardian LP
Services Places Order for Nine Beechcraft Premier IAs. .
08/03/2006 -, Hawker 850XP to Tour South ...
www.raytheonaircraft.com/ - 16k - Cached - Similar
pages
Beechcraft - www.raytheonaircraft.com/beechcraft/
Hawker - www.raytheonaircraft.com/hawker/
Pre-Owned Aircraft - www.raytheonaircraft.com/resale/
Charter -
http://www.raytheonaircraft.com/.../...overview.shtml
More results from www.raytheonaircraft.com »

Beechcraft Home
More than 70 years ago, Walter and Olive Ann Beech
founded Beech Aircraft ... Services Obtains STC for
Auxiliary Ground Heat on Beechcraft Premier I/IA ...
www.raytheonaircraft.com/beechcraft/ - 11k - Cached -
Similar pages

"TxSrv" wrote in message
. ..
| Mxsmanic wrote:
| ...
| First you milk the company for all its worth, then you
carefully cut
| it into pieces and sell it for prices that give you a
substantial
| return on your initial investment.
|
|
| Ignoramus. First, you look up the net book value of
Beechcraft's
| assets and compare to $3 billion. E.g., Textron (only a
fraction
| of whose total business is GA aircraft including Cessna
and its
| jets) is only $3B at book. Were Beechcraft's aged plants
to be
| sold off netting relatively little, all that's left are
the type
| certificates, which alone can't be worth near $3B. The
value of
| this kind of business is as a going concern, and then look
at the
| historical GAMA shipment #'s and see their competition
problems
| on these old designs.
|
| Now you're an expert also on business/finance, but
admitting to
| making only $647/month.
|
| F--

Why are you comparing a six-place airplane to a four-place airplane?

Aluckyguess wrote:

If Beech re-opened up its lines again for the Sport, Sierra , Duchess, and a
few I missed. They would all be superior to anything else on the market.
Their only problem is price, now that's a biggy but maybe the new company
plans on fixing this.
If a G36 was 50k more than a SR22 and you were looking for a plane in that
class what would you buy. The problem is its 200k more. I believe the new
company can fix this. The new company may even put a parachute in it to
satisfy the spouse that is afraid .
Then you have the Baron, if you have money for fuel its the nicest small
twin their is bar none.