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500 km Triangle at 306 km/hr in Argentina



 
 
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Old December 23rd 06, 07:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Greg Arnold
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Default 500 km Triangle at 306 km/hr in Argentina

Soarin Again wrote:
At 05:42 23 December 2006, Js wrote:
306 km/hr = 190 mph = 165 knots

That is an amazing feat!


Does anyone know if his Nimbus 4DM has had special
modifications to increase the vne at altitude, or does
he just not care about operating limitations?

Soarin



When you are cruising at 20,000' to 30,000', doesn't the effect of
altitude cause IAS to be substantially less than ground speed?

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Old December 23rd 06, 12:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Stefan
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Greg Arnold schrieb:

When you are cruising at 20,000' to 30,000', doesn't the effect of
altitude cause IAS to be substantially less than ground speed?


Vne goes with TAS, not IAS. But then, as it most probably was a wave
flight, there most probably was a wind.
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Old December 23rd 06, 02:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Doug Haluza
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Default 500 km Triangle at 306 km/hr in Argentina


Stefan wrote:
Greg Arnold schrieb:

When you are cruising at 20,000' to 30,000', doesn't the effect of
altitude cause IAS to be substantially less than ground speed?


Vne goes with TAS, not IAS. But then, as it most probably was a wave
flight, there most probably was a wind.


Yes, but in a closed course, the wind is a net loss, not a benefit.

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Old December 23rd 06, 03:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Bruce Greef
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Default 500 km Triangle at 306 km/hr in Argentina

Doug Haluza wrote:
Stefan wrote:

Greg Arnold schrieb:


When you are cruising at 20,000' to 30,000', doesn't the effect of
altitude cause IAS to be substantially less than ground speed?


Vne goes with TAS, not IAS. But then, as it most probably was a wave
flight, there most probably was a wind.



Yes, but in a closed course, the wind is a net loss, not a benefit.

That all depends on the profile of the wind. Different speed and direction at
different altitudes can no doubt be a benefit.
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Old December 23rd 06, 08:57 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Charles Crosby
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Default 500 km Triangle at 306 km/hr in Argentina

Greg Arnold wrote:

When you are cruising at 20,000' to 30,000', doesn't the effect of
altitude cause IAS to be substantially less than ground speed?


That is indeed true. However, there are aeroelastic concerns (such as
flutter) which may result in a lower indicated vne at high altitude.

Charles


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Old December 24th 06, 07:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe
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"Charles Crosby" wrote in message
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Greg Arnold wrote:

When you are cruising at 20,000' to 30,000', doesn't the effect of
altitude cause IAS to be substantially less than ground speed?


That is indeed true. However, there are aeroelastic concerns (such as
flutter) which may result in a lower indicated vne at high altitude.

Charles



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