Beechcraft sold

"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:24:23 -0500, Doug Vetter
wrote:

If I had the
coin, I'd buy a G36 or Baron over the new plastic airplanes, and a King
Air over a VLJ any day -- even if it cost me more to buy and to operate
on a long-term basis. They're that good.

Lots of people WITH the money do as you would like. G

It'll be interesting how the certified VLJ's truly compare to King
Airs, when load, runway length, and true usability are compared.

Yes, excellent points.


Of course, if your mission is distance and speed, not load ...

BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT in 2392
feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of 1,300 nm, the King
Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs. 2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats filled maybe
ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of those times. Last August,
my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT in 2392
feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of 1,300 nm, the King
Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs. 2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats filled
maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of those times. Last
August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

With a few notable exceptions, ugly designs don't make it.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

"karl gruber" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT in 2392
feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of 1,300 nm, the King
Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs. 2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats filled
maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of those times. Last
August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

With a few notable exceptions, ugly designs don't make it.

Your'e right they are ugly.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

"karl gruber" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT in 2392
feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of 1,300 nm, the King
Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs. 2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats filled
maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of those times. Last
August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

Their design goal was...what?

With a few notable exceptions, ugly designs don't make it.

Whatever.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"karl gruber" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT in 2392
feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of 1,300 nm, the
King Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs. 2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats filled
maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of those times.
Last August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

Their design goal was...what?

The initial design was based on an engine that didn't pan out. They now
must use a heavier engine which means nearly all their original design goals
are out the window.

Recently, Dave Stadt posted:

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"karl gruber" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT
in 2392 feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of
1,300 nm, the King Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs.
2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats
filled maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of
those times. Last August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

Their design goal was...what?

The initial design was based on an engine that didn't pan out. They
now must use a heavier engine which means nearly all their original
design goals are out the window.

I don't think this is an accurate statement. Their original objectives
couldn't be met with the new Williams engine that was under development,
true. However, their design goals have remained the same AFAICT; the
airframe is pretty much the same, the performance has improved, and the
price is still desirable to those who have purchased it in advance. From
where I sit, it doesn't look all that different from the introduction of
any other revolutionary aircraft. And, I really like the company's
attitude w/r/t training and purchase qualifications.

Neil

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Recently, Dave Stadt posted:

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"karl gruber" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT
in 2392 feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of
1,300 nm, the King Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs.
2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats
filled maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of
those times. Last August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

Their design goal was...what?

The initial design was based on an engine that didn't pan out. They
now must use a heavier engine which means nearly all their original
design goals are out the window.

I don't think this is an accurate statement. Their original objectives
couldn't be met with the new Williams engine that was under development,
true. However, their design goals have remained the same AFAICT; the
airframe is pretty much the same, the performance has improved, and the
price is still desirable to those who have purchased it in advance. From
where I sit, it doesn't look all that different from the introduction of
any other revolutionary aircraft. And, I really like the company's
attitude w/r/t training and purchase qualifications.

Neil


If only they had an airplane.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Neil Gould" wrote in message
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Recently, Dave Stadt posted:

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"karl gruber" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT
in 2392 feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of
1,300 nm, the King Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs.
2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats
filled maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of
those times. Last August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

Their design goal was...what?

The initial design was based on an engine that didn't pan out. They
now must use a heavier engine which means nearly all their original
design goals are out the window.

I don't think this is an accurate statement. Their original objectives
couldn't be met with the new Williams engine that was under development,
true. However, their design goals have remained the same AFAICT; the
airframe is pretty much the same, the performance has improved, and the
price is still desirable to those who have purchased it in advance. From
where I sit, it doesn't look all that different from the introduction of
any other revolutionary aircraft. And, I really like the company's
attitude w/r/t training and purchase qualifications.

Neil


If only they had an airplane.
They received certification in October and they've a few ready to go out the
door.

Eclipse 500

Recently, Dave Stadt posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote in message
Recently, Dave Stadt posted:

The initial design was based on an engine that didn't pan out. They
now must use a heavier engine which means nearly all their original
design goals are out the window.

I don't think this is an accurate statement. Their original
objectives couldn't be met with the new Williams engine that was
under development, true. However, their design goals have remained
the same AFAICT; the airframe is pretty much the same, the
performance has improved, and the price is still desirable to those
who have purchased it in advance. From where I sit, it doesn't look
all that different from the introduction of any other revolutionary
aircraft. And, I really like the company's attitude w/r/t training
and purchase qualifications.


If only they had an airplane.

What do you call those things that they have been flying around and have
gotten certification for?

Neil

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BTW, an Eclipse 500 at SL will TO in 2297 feet, a King Air C90GT in
2392 feet. The E500 has an IFR range with four occupants of 1,300 nm,
the King Air has 931nm range. For landing, 2155' vs. 2355'.

In the six years I've had my B36-TN, I've had five of six seats filled
maybe ten times, and that was the whole family, nine of those times.
Last August, my wife and I became "empty nesters".


--
Matt

That's assuming the Eclipse will ever be built!

Besides not meeting their design goal it is just plane UGLY.

Their design goal was...what?

The initial design was based on an engine that didn't pan out. They now
must use a heavier engine which means nearly all their original design
goals are out the window.


The price was also to be under 1 million. Thats out the door.