Cleared for the ILS 16 or circle to land 34 question?

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:26:46 -0800, Sam Spade wrote
(in article ):


Or you could have circled-to-land following the normal VFR pattern for
the airport since the weather was VFR. Circle-to-land needs to be
modified to conform to local traffic expectations when the weather is good.

Why? Most towers expect you to circle at the circling minima. They will tell
you if they want you to do something else.

OTOH, if you are going to break off the instrument approach in order to
accommodate the unfounded expectations of VFR traffic, you should probably
cancel IFR considerably before you enter the pattern for either runway,
remembering that once you do that you have to follow cloud clearance rules.

C J Campbell wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:26:46 -0800, Sam Spade wrote
(in article ):


Or you could have circled-to-land following the normal VFR pattern for
the airport since the weather was VFR. Circle-to-land needs to be
modified to conform to local traffic expectations when the weather is good.


Why? Most towers expect you to circle at the circling minima. They will tell
you if they want you to do something else.

Why do you think they would expect you to disregard local traffic
pattern and perhaps noise abatement procedures when the Class D surface
area is VFR? If it is a training flight I would certainly make it clear
with them before I descended to the circling MDA (assuming here that it
is significantly lower than standard traffic pattern altitude).


OTOH, if you are going to break off the instrument approach in order to
accommodate the unfounded expectations of VFR traffic, you should probably
cancel IFR considerably before you enter the pattern for either runway,
remembering that once you do that you have to follow cloud clearance rules.

Unfounded expectation?

As to your advice to cancel, that is my option to exercise depending
upon the circumstances. Perhaps the weather is 1,500 overcast and 4
miles. I would like to preserve my IFR clearance at a one runway airport.

On 12/26/06 05:49, Sam Spade wrote:
C J Campbell wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:26:46 -0800, Sam Spade wrote
(in article ):


Or you could have circled-to-land following the normal VFR pattern for
the airport since the weather was VFR. Circle-to-land needs to be
modified to conform to local traffic expectations when the weather is good.


Why? Most towers expect you to circle at the circling minima. They will tell
you if they want you to do something else.

Why do you think they would expect you to disregard local traffic
pattern and perhaps noise abatement procedures when the Class D surface
area is VFR?

Because you're flying a practice IAP.

If it is a training flight I would certainly make it clear
with them before I descended to the circling MDA (assuming here that it
is significantly lower than standard traffic pattern altitude).

That was done by asking to fly the approach, and getting the (practice)
clearance from ATC and them handing the flight off to the tower.

At least at the towers I've practiced at, they've expected me to fly
the circling maneuver, and they've accommodated it as necessary. After
all, the circling maneuver is part of what I want to practice.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:
On 12/26/06 05:49, Sam Spade wrote:

C J Campbell wrote:

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:26:46 -0800, Sam Spade wrote
(in article ):



Or you could have circled-to-land following the normal VFR pattern for
the airport since the weather was VFR. Circle-to-land needs to be
modified to conform to local traffic expectations when the weather is good.


Why? Most towers expect you to circle at the circling minima. They will tell
you if they want you to do something else.

Why do you think they would expect you to disregard local traffic
pattern and perhaps noise abatement procedures when the Class D surface
area is VFR?


Because you're flying a practice IAP.


If it is a training flight I would certainly make it clear
with them before I descended to the circling MDA (assuming here that it
is significantly lower than standard traffic pattern altitude).


That was done by asking to fly the approach, and getting the (practice)
clearance from ATC and them handing the flight off to the tower.

At least at the towers I've practiced at, they've expected me to fly
the circling maneuver, and they've accommodated it as necessary. After
all, the circling maneuver is part of what I want to practice.


If it is an airport you're familiar with, and you have no doubt they
accept it, fine. There are a lot of noise sensitive airprots, at least
in my area, where it is presumed you will follow the traffic patterns in
use and established noise abatement procedures when the place is VFR.

If uncertain, it is follow to descent to 450 feet, HAA without a very
clear understanding.