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Old December 28th 06, 07:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
skym
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Jay Honeck wrote:
God almighty, I can't understand for the life of me why there
isn't an airplane in every American garage...
--
Jay Honeck


Jay,
I agree with you 100% on the convenience and utility of, and the love
of owning, my own airplane. However, to state "I can't understand for
the life of me why there isn't an airplane in every American garage" is
not only a disgusting comment, but one that suggests that you are
totally out of touch with the condition of this country. Sounds like
a person who once commented..."Let them eat cake."

Are the proletariat welcome at your motel, or only the AIRPLANE OWNERS?

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Old December 28th 06, 08:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Beckman
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"skym" wrote in message
ups.com...

Jay Honeck wrote:
God almighty, I can't understand for the life of me why there
isn't an airplane in every American garage...
--
Jay Honeck


Jay,
I agree with you 100% on the convenience and utility of, and the love
of owning, my own airplane. However, to state "I can't understand for
the life of me why there isn't an airplane in every American garage" is
not only a disgusting comment, but one that suggests that you are
totally out of touch with the condition of this country. Sounds like
a person who once commented..."Let them eat cake."

Are the proletariat welcome at your motel, or only the AIRPLANE OWNERS?


Speaking of "being out of touch..."

As one who is also self-employed, I find it entirely impossible for your
accusation to hold up when you consider what Jay and Mary do for a living.

I think you'd better Google Jay Honeck's participation here and his views on
GA before you go casting aspersions.

There is nothing "cake" related about having a desire to see GA grow and
prosper anymore than should participating in GA be viewed as some form of
royalty.

To agree with Jay in one sentence (especially in light of your own aircraft
ownership status) and then damn him in the next (for expressing the desire
that everyone be able to enjoy similar access to personal
transportation..which you yourself enjoy) is, IMNSHO, hypocritical in the
extreme.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ


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Old December 28th 06, 05:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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I agree with you 100% on the convenience and utility of, and the love
of owning, my own airplane. However, to state "I can't understand for
the life of me why there isn't an airplane in every American garage" is
not only a disgusting comment, but one that suggests that you are
totally out of touch with the condition of this country. Sounds like
a person who once commented..."Let them eat cake."


Sadly, the reason GA flying is priced so high is because so few people
actually want to do it. Just like automobiles in the early 1900s,
airplanes today are hand-built, luxury items, with prices to match.

If "Every Man" in America wanted to fly, airplanes would cost about
what a new car costs -- maybe less, given how little structure is
actually involved. (Don't ever look too closely at the stabilator
attachment points on a Cherokee, or the wing spar attachment points on
a Skyhawk, unless you're prepared to be shocked at how little "there"
is actually there.)

Oh, wait -- you *can* buy an airplane for about what a new car costs.
Our old Warrior, which faithfully carried my family from coast to coast
from '98 to '02, cost less than our hotel's courtesy van.

And STILL there isn't a plane in every garage. Why?

Are the proletariat welcome at your motel, or only the AIRPLANE OWNERS?


Sadly, (except for the weeks around Oshkosh, of course) less than 5% of
our guests are pilots, by my count. (A large proportion of that 5%
*are* aircraft owners, however.) Probably another 50% are interested
in aviation, or aviation history -- but pilots are a small, dying
breed, way too small a group to ever support a hotel. Even one as
small as ours... :-(

But Mary and I work on converting each and every one of those "pilot
wannabees" who step into our lobby. I'll set them in the Kiwi, get 'em
shooting an approach into Madeline Island at sunset, and watch the
gears start turning...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Old December 28th 06, 05:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose[_1_]
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And STILL there isn't a plane in every garage. Why?

Because there isn't an airport at every garage. Change your situation a
bit. Suppose you lived forty miles from work, twenty miles from the
airport, and six miles from the train station that takes you three miles
from where you work. (This is not atypical). Chances are pretty good
you'd get a lot of use out of your car, and your car horn.

Now, imagine you have to give up either your plane or your car. Which
is it going to be?

Of course you can say "well, I'd just move closer to the airport...
yadda yadda", but not everyone can do that. There isn't enough room
even if they wanted to. So, there won't be an airplane in every garage.

Jose
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Old December 28th 06, 05:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Of course you can say "well, I'd just move closer to the airport...
yadda yadda", but not everyone can do that. There isn't enough room
even if they wanted to. So, there won't be an airplane in every garage.


Oh, I know. Until the personal flight vehicle (AKA: "Flying Car") we
were all promised in the 1960s is developed, flying will never be as
popular as driving.

But it sure could be a lot more popular, if even half the guys who
bought boats (that go no where) would divert that time and money into
an airplane (that can take them *anywhere*)...

We simply must figure out a better way to communicate the fun and
utility of flying to the masses.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Old December 28th 06, 06:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose[_1_]
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But it sure could be a lot more popular, if even half the guys who
bought boats (that go no where) would divert that time and money into
an airplane (that can take them *anywhere*)...


But sometimes "nowhere" is exactly where you want to go. The boat is
ideal for that.

The airplane is not ideal for everything. And not everything you think
is fun is actually fun for everyone.

Jose
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Old December 28th 06, 08:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
john smith
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Jose wrote:

But it sure could be a lot more popular, if even half the guys who
bought boats (that go no where) would divert that time and money into
an airplane (that can take them *anywhere*)...



But sometimes "nowhere" is exactly where you want to go. The boat is
ideal for that.
The airplane is not ideal for everything. And not everything you
think is fun is actually fun for everyone.


Sure you can! That's what floats are for.

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Old December 28th 06, 10:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose[_1_]
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Sure you can! That's what floats are for.

But the pilot can't down a sixpack while out there.

Jose
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Old December 28th 06, 09:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Jay Honeck writes:

Oh, I know. Until the personal flight vehicle (AKA: "Flying Car") we
were all promised in the 1960s is developed, flying will never be as
popular as driving.


There won't be any flying cars with the current state of technology.
The only way to make flying safe for large numbers of people would be
to automate it, which isn't likely any time soon.

But it sure could be a lot more popular, if even half the guys who
bought boats (that go no where) would divert that time and money into
an airplane (that can take them *anywhere*)...


Most of our planet is covered by water and is thus navigable by boats.

--
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Old December 28th 06, 07:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
RomeoMike
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That may be part of the reason, but flying was considered expensive in
the late '40's, when I flew with my father, and in the mid '50's, when I
took my first lessons. During that period of time flying was more
popular and romantic, and airplane companies thought they were going to
sell a lot of airplanes. Veterans were getting free flying lessons on
the GI Bill. But it was still expensive to rent and buy and maintain
planes, even then. )-:

Jay Honeck wrote:

Sadly, the reason GA flying is priced so high is because so few people
actually want to do it.

 




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