Moncton Flight College - feedback?

Matt Whiting wrote in news:RCPlh.1955$Oc.121978
@news1.epix.net:

True, but even so the outlook here is still good which is counter to
your claim.

Depends on how much stake you put in the forecast of a magazine journalist.

Judah wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in news:RCPlh.1955$Oc.121978
@news1.epix.net:


True, but even so the outlook here is still good which is counter to
your claim.


Depends on how much stake you put in the forecast of a magazine journalist.

Show me a better forecast. Or any forecast at all that supports your
claim...


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Show me a better forecast. Or any forecast at all that supports your
claim...

The government, as well as some job search sites, seem to disagree with
Money Magazine...

I wish it weren't true either, since I am a computer programmer by trade,
and my current business is essentially computer software (although my
business' outlook would seem better than my trade's).

The other thing I will mention is that while the average salaries are
probably moving slightly up, the high and lows are moving closer to the
average. So as a leading, well-known, published programmer in the late 90's
I was able to easily command a very respectable rate at the top of the
curve, which was more than double the average. The top of the curve has
consistently gone down over the past 5 years to be more in line with the
average programmer who couldn't code his way out of a rubix cube.

Anyway, here are your sources. It didn't take me very long to find these on
Google, I am sure you could find many more on your own if you would like...

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/COMPUPRO.HTM

"The estimated number of job opportunities for Computer Programmers from
1998 through 2008 is expected to total 12,100. The Computer Programmer
occupation will grow slower than average compared with all occupations in
California."


http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm

"Employment of programmers is expected to grow more slowly than the average
for all occupations through the year 2014. Sophisticated computer software
now has the capability to write basic code, eliminating the need for many
programmers to do this routine work. The consolidation and centralization
of systems and applications, developments in packaged software, advances in
programming languages and tools, and the growing ability of users to
design, write, and implement more of their own programs mean that more of
the programming functions can be transferred from programmers to other
types of information workers, such as computer software engineers.

Another factor limiting growth in employment is the outsourcing of these
jobs to other countries. Computer programmers can perform their job
function from anywhere in the world and can digitally transmit their
programs to any location via e-mail. Programmers are at a much higher risk
of having their jobs outsourced abroad than are workers involved in more
complex and sophisticated information technology functions, such as
software engineering, because computer programming has become an
international language, requiring little localized or specialized
knowledge. Additionally, the work of computer programmers can be
routinized, once knowledge of a particular programming language is
mastered."

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/co...programmer.htm

"The U.S. job outlook for computer programmers is not as good as it used to
be. Through 2014, the occupation is forecasted to grow more slowly than the
average for all other occupations. That's mostly due to the loss of U.S.
programming jobs to overseas outsourcing, along with technological advances
that have almost eliminated routine programming tasks."

Judah wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in
:


Show me a better forecast. Or any forecast at all that supports your
claim...


The government, as well as some job search sites, seem to disagree with
Money Magazine...

I wish it weren't true either, since I am a computer programmer by trade,
and my current business is essentially computer software (although my
business' outlook would seem better than my trade's).

The other thing I will mention is that while the average salaries are
probably moving slightly up, the high and lows are moving closer to the
average. So as a leading, well-known, published programmer in the late 90's
I was able to easily command a very respectable rate at the top of the
curve, which was more than double the average. The top of the curve has
consistently gone down over the past 5 years to be more in line with the
average programmer who couldn't code his way out of a rubix cube.

Anyway, here are your sources. It didn't take me very long to find these on
Google, I am sure you could find many more on your own if you would like...

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/COMPUPRO.HTM

"The estimated number of job opportunities for Computer Programmers from
1998 through 2008 is expected to total 12,100. The Computer Programmer
occupation will grow slower than average compared with all occupations in
California."


http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm

"Employment of programmers is expected to grow more slowly than the average
for all occupations through the year 2014. Sophisticated computer software
now has the capability to write basic code, eliminating the need for many
programmers to do this routine work. The consolidation and centralization
of systems and applications, developments in packaged software, advances in
programming languages and tools, and the growing ability of users to
design, write, and implement more of their own programs mean that more of
the programming functions can be transferred from programmers to other
types of information workers, such as computer software engineers.

Another factor limiting growth in employment is the outsourcing of these
jobs to other countries. Computer programmers can perform their job
function from anywhere in the world and can digitally transmit their
programs to any location via e-mail. Programmers are at a much higher risk
of having their jobs outsourced abroad than are workers involved in more
complex and sophisticated information technology functions, such as
software engineering, because computer programming has become an
international language, requiring little localized or specialized
knowledge. Additionally, the work of computer programmers can be
routinized, once knowledge of a particular programming language is
mastered."

http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/co...programmer.htm

"The U.S. job outlook for computer programmers is not as good as it used to
be. Through 2014, the occupation is forecasted to grow more slowly than the
average for all other occupations. That's mostly due to the loss of U.S.
programming jobs to overseas outsourcing, along with technological advances
that have almost eliminated routine programming tasks."

If you are a programmer by trade, then you should know that IT is not
synonymous with programming. Your claim was about IT, not programming.

Please try again.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

If you are a programmer by trade, then you should know that IT is not
synonymous with programming. Your claim was about IT, not programming.

Your reference claimed Software Engineering as the #1 top best job in
America, with a 10-year growth forecast higher than #7 "Computer/IT analyst".
These are two separate IT functions, and neither one alone encompasses the
entire spectrum of IT.

IT is an amorphous blob of a category that includes Programmer, Analyst, and
Engineer, as well as other things, even Computer Operator (a quickly dying
breed). Even your own response acknowledges that.

You asked me to provide a reference supporting my claim. I provided 3.

Judah wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in
:


If you are a programmer by trade, then you should know that IT is not
synonymous with programming. Your claim was about IT, not programming.


Your reference claimed Software Engineering as the #1 top best job in
America, with a 10-year growth forecast higher than #7 "Computer/IT analyst".
These are two separate IT functions, and neither one alone encompasses the
entire spectrum of IT.

IT is an amorphous blob of a category that includes Programmer, Analyst, and
Engineer, as well as other things, even Computer Operator (a quickly dying
breed). Even your own response acknowledges that.

You asked me to provide a reference supporting my claim. I provided 3.

And both rated well. Since you don't like your job and think the
outlook is bleak, sounds like you should move into aviation full-time. :-)

Yes, IT is a broad field and in general it is doing very well and the
outlook is great also. Sure, there are some niche areas that may not do
as well, but you suggested that the entire IT field was looking bad and
that simply isn't even close to being accurate.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

And both rated well. Since you don't like your job and think the
outlook is bleak, sounds like you should move into aviation full-time.
:-)

Actually, I am currently running a small niche market software company,
which has an optimistic outlook for the time being. As far as aviation full
time, an instructor's salary won't support my growing family of 5 in its
current condition, and I don't have the proper certifications or total
hours to go further than that for some time.
Besides, I would lose much of the pleasure of flight if I were being forced
to fly for hire (and make decisions like land in 0/0 conditions because the
guy paying my salary says so)...

Perhaps when I retire and the kids are moved out and I have an income
coming from my investments I will become a flight instructor to keep myself
busy and keep my hours up.

Yes, IT is a broad field and in general it is doing very well and the
outlook is great also. Sure, there are some niche areas that may not do
as well, but you suggested that the entire IT field was looking bad and
that simply isn't even close to being accurate.

There are some niche areas that are doing well, and some others that are
not. I'm not sure how that relates to IT as a whole, but I wouldn't take my
original comment TOO seriously - it was not intended as a report of some
statistical study that I have done. It was just a cynical remark meant in
light mockery of Newps's attempts to force his kid to do what he wants (or
doesn't want) based on conditions that could be very different by the time
his son actually gets there...

Anyway, happy New Year...