Follow up Alright, All You Dashing, Swaggering Bush Pilots

snowbird101 master cross breeder of barnyard animals and hound dogs
wrote:

You are welcome to post one example, with Google archive references,
of a place where I have pretended to either aviation experience or
to aviation knowledge which I do not, in fact, possess. Or for that
matter to life experience which I do not, in fact, possess.

Sydney,

Private pilots like you and Del for example do not have adequate
background or experience to be posting opinions about things as
complex as ATC services. Ref: your ongoing harassment for months of
Chip and the other fine controllers that post great stuff over at RAP.
Anyone following those fantastic threads by Chip knows what I am
talking about. The implied sarcasm and skepticism in your posts is
dishonest. You post your name in some of you posts, but you never are
forthright about your rating (singular?) and meager experience. Hell
I'm sure you probably don't even have an instrument rating. If you
do, I bet you haven't seen the inside of a cloud in years (not
counting your last swine wrestling match.) Your tone makes it clear
that you enjoy purporting yourself as some kind of expert in areas you
know nothing about. You simply don't use the ATC system five hours a
working day hence you can't possibly know all the things that are
deficient in the present system. The damage you do to aviation when
you heckle these fine professionals is considerable and others have
pointed this out to you. Now Del thinks I'm checking the FAA data
base to determine how long he's had his license and what ratings he
has. But I don't have to bother, because I can tell a lot about your
background just by the things you post and more by the absence of
material you should be posting if you are more than "a weekend weenie"
as BWB puts it. :-D God he cracks me up. As well, you have no
business trying to run off anybody, especially an experienced pilot
like BWB. Now that I have corresponded with you a little, I see why
the fine Doctor Phillips lost his temper with you.

You can't do so, because I have never presented myself as anything
but what I am or as doing anything I have not done.

Interestingly, the same can not be said of Mr. Phillips. In his
own words all times, permanently archived in Google.

I think you're bitter and your ongoing grudge is petty. Why is it
beneath you to forgive the guy? I still am of the belief that it is
you who should apologize for lecturing such a highly qualified aviator
as he is. BWB is clearly a master of a great variety of flying
machines. You on the other hand "serve whine to go with your cheese"
to pros that are trying to impart knowledge and entertainment to
resonable GA pilots.

pacplyer

On 04 Sep 2003 12:04 AM, pac plyer posted the following:

Private pilots like you and Del for example do not have adequate
background or experience to be posting opinions about things as
complex as ATC services.

That is one reason I haven't done so. Also, the places I want to fly,
there is no ATC. It looks like you have some sort of gripe with Sydney
stemming from posts in another newsgroup, and if that is the case I
would appreciate you leaving me out of it.

pointed this out to you. Now Del thinks I'm checking the FAA data
base to determine how long he's had his license and what ratings he
has.

I honestly don't care what you do; I was just making the point that I
haven't misrepresented myself and that my info can be verified if
anybody really wants. The same cannot be said of you. For all anybody
here knows you are just a solo student posing as an airline captain. I
doubt if that is the case, but where do you get off criticizing others
for lack of flying experience when your own has not been established?
Not wanting to post your personal information to usenet is fine, but it
leaves you with zero credibility when you slam those who do. While I do
not agree with everything he has posted here, at least your hero BWB
posts under his own name and is a known quantity to the members of the
group.

I've learned a lot about flying and homebuilts from reading BWB's posts
over the years, along with other members of the group. As a low time
private pilot building his own airplane I believe that some of this
knowledge is vital to my survival and I am thankful to have been exposed
to it. At your claimed level of experience, you would be equally worth
listening to, but I have to disregard your info because I have no way of
judging your veracity. On the other hand, I've personally met at least
one of the regulars here who knows Bill, and can verify that they are
the real deal and worth listening to. One of these years my schedule
will allow me to attend the P-ville flyin and meet some of the rest.
The nice thing about Alaska is the isolation from the 48. Unfortunately,
it is also the bad thing sometimes.

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at least your hero BWB
posts under his own name and is a known quantity to the members of the
group.
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Del Rawlins-

You don't think pacplyer is BWB's sock puppet? Hummmmm
--
Jim in NC

On 04 Sep 2003 08:55 AM, Morgans posted the following:
at least your hero BWB
posts under his own name and is a known quantity to the members of
the group. ---------------------------------------------------- Del
Rawlins-

You don't think pacplyer is BWB's sock puppet? Hummmmm

I may be giving BWB too much credit but using a sock puppet doesn't seem
like his style (excluding Ms. Geeter of course). Certainly there are
other arrogant high-timers out there who look down on less experienced
pilots, and another one may have easily found the newsgroup. Of course,
that all assumes that "pacplyer" aka "mturner" or whoever the hell he is
happens to be telling the truth, and there is no way of knowing that at
this point.

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Del Rawlins wrote in message ...

I may be giving BWB too much credit but using a sock puppet doesn't seem
like his style (excluding Ms. Geeter of course).

I don't know nor care if mturner is a sock puppet for BWB, but
Bill has posted under other names and email addresses in this and
other groups before (excluding Ms. Geeter of course).

Not trying to debate credit or take away credit, that's just a fact.

Cheers,
Sydney

Ploink

On 4 Sep 2003 01:04:43 -0700, (pac plyer) wrote:

snowbird101 master cross breeder of barnyard animals and hound dogs
wrote:

You are welcome to post one example, with Google archive references,
of a place where I have pretended to either aviation experience or
to aviation knowledge which I do not, in fact, possess. Or for that
matter to life experience which I do not, in fact, possess.

Sydney,

Private pilots like you and Del for example do not have adequate
background or experience to be posting opinions about things as
complex as ATC services.

*Any* pilot regardless of ratings or experience has the right to post
opinions. Even a non pilot has that right. Everyone has an opinion
of what every they have to deal. The keyword is opinions.

A new student certainly will not have the background...then again they
might. That student might just be a controller who decided to get
his, or her, license.

Are all controllers and people working in the system high time
commercial pilots? Maybe even a few might be week end pilots?

The ratings and time just don't necessarily translate into knowledge.

Ref: your ongoing harassment for months of
Chip and the other fine controllers that post great stuff over at RAP.

One thing I've noted on RAP. Most of the old timers are no longer
there and there has been a distinct degradation of the tolerance shown
by the current posters.

Anyone following those fantastic threads by Chip knows what I am

I'm always suspicious when some one says "fantastic threads".

talking about. The implied sarcasm and skepticism in your posts is
dishonest. You post your name in some of you posts, but you never are
forthright about your rating (singular?) and meager experience. Hell

Ratings don't mean a whole lot as presented here.
I've never posted mine and see no reason to. They serve me well and
have for many years.

I'm sure you probably don't even have an instrument rating. If you
do, I bet you haven't seen the inside of a cloud in years (not
counting your last swine wrestling match.) Your tone makes it clear
that you enjoy purporting yourself as some kind of expert in areas you

You certainly are talking about someone different than what I've seen
posted under that name.

know nothing about. You simply don't use the ATC system five hours a
working day hence you can't possibly know all the things that are
deficient in the present system. The damage you do to aviation when

Finding something deficient in the system is not the same as knowing
all the deficiencies in the system.

I've had controllers forget me, tell me to circle in the wrong
quadrant for a runway (they told me to circle in front of departing
traffic -- SE when it should have been SW) I've had approach tell me
to follow the guy ahead while on vectors for an approach and I
couldn't even see my wing tips. I've had them give me wrong headings
and the list goes on...Yet the pilot and controller relationship is a
two way street. We are all human...at least for the most part.

I knew they gave me the wrong circle instructions with the winds and
runways in use...I questioned it. When they forgot me, I called,
rather than blindly continue heading off in to the distance. When
they told me to follow the plane ahead I responded I would, but
unfortunately I could not see my own wing tips...(It was thick) They
responded and had me hold the heading to where I could safely descend
for the visual. I was filed into Battle Creek, they were setting me
up to expect the ILS for a runway Battle Creek doesn't have. I
questioned it as I was passing directly over Battle Creek. They
quickly came back and asked if I could make the visual for which ever
runway from my location or did I need vectors. BC and Kalamazoo share
the same approach control. And OTOH I've heard that ..."ahhh...watch
the altitude there" when I was in the process of starting to overshoot
my assigned altitude while getting the snot beat out of me. I didn't
get chewed out, or written up. It was just a friendly reminder from a
contentious controller.

you heckle these fine professionals is considerable and others have
pointed this out to you. Now Del thinks I'm checking the FAA data
base to determine how long he's had his license and what ratings he
has.

Why would any one care how long some one has had their license and
ratings? They have them and they are qualified, or at least were once
upon a time.

I mentioned to several of the "used to be" regulars I had not seen a
post from them in some time and wondered where they had been. The
universal answer was they had gotten tired of the attitudes over there
from a bunch of bitter pilots.

If you go back for a couple of years you will see a distinct change
between then and current conversational attitudes.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

On 4 Sep 2003 01:04:43 -0700, (pac plyer) wrote:

snowbird101 master cross breeder of barnyard animals and hound dogs
wrote:
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Hmmmmm.

IMO...
The above is totally out of character for any BWB persona.
More like a Jaun puppet, if a non SWAG must be made.


*BARNYARD* BOb --

Barnyard BOb -- wrote in message . ..
On 4 Sep 2003 01:04:43 -0700, (pac plyer) wrote:

snowbird101 master cross breeder of barnyard animals and hound dogs
wrote:
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Hmmmmm.

IMO...
The above is totally out of character for any BWB persona.
More like a Jaun puppet, if a non SWAG must be made.

Like I said elsewhere, if I were voting, I'd vote against
"sock puppet" and for "stooge."

I have my reasons, but I admit it's possible I give Mr.
Phillips too little credit and "sock" isn't impossible.

But it strikes me as a moot point either way.

Either way, he's shown himself to be lacking in either
credibility, or sense, and he ought to be treated accordingly.

Don't believe anything you can't independently verify.

Cheers,
Sydney

In article , Barnyard BOb --
writes:


snowbird101 master cross breeder of barnyard animals and hound dogs
wrote:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hmmmmm.

IMO...
The above is totally out of character for any BWB persona.
More like a Jaun puppet, if a non SWAG must be made.


*BARNYARD* BOb --



In any case, it did search for a new low and found it.


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