Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

i wonder if his simulator's ATC tells him to hang himself he will? (one
can only hope)
John Theune wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
I fly from KLAX to KLAS, using the FMC to handle most of the flight.
With the routing I put in, the FMC decides on some default altitudes
and includes required altitudes for the arrival and departure
procedures I select. Part of what it does is to create a descent
schedule from the nominal cruise altitude to the arrival procedure.

So I leave KLAX and my last explicit instruction from ATC is "climb
and maintain FL290," which is my programmed and filed cruise altitude.
Now, my question is this: If the FMC has a programmed descent in its
route, do I let the FMC start the descent where it sees fit, or do I
force the aircraft to maintain FL290 until ATC explicitly clears me
for my own navigation or for a lower altitude? And if ATC's last
instruction had simply been "resume own navigation" or "proceed as
filed," would that mean that I'd be free to begin the descent whenever
the FMC (or I) decides it's best?

In situations where I can begin the descent at my discretion (assuming
that own navigation implies this), should I tell ATC that I'm leaving
my cruise altitude? If the FMC has a continuously changing estimate
of lower altitudes in the descent profile, what should I give as my
target altitude? The next fix that has a specific altitude? (Such as
a fix in the arrival procedure)

Climbing I think I understand. If I'm told to resume own navigation,
or cleared as filed in the first place, I climb per my flight plan/FMC
profile. If ATC says maintain X, I stay at X until ATC tells me to
resume own navigation or instructs me to change altitudes. But the
descent part still has me a bit confused.

Are you flying IFR? if so then ATC will tell you what altitude to be at.
Resume own navigation refers to routing not altitude. VFR is a
different set of rules.

On Jan 3, 9:21 am, "mad8" wrote:
i wonder if his simulator's ATC tells him to hang himself he will? (one
can only hope)


MS, don't let post like this bother you. ANY interest in aviation is
good. Real pilots are in general one of the most POLITE bunch of people
you'd ever want to meet and hang out with. It's a a close knit
community. A lot of GA pilots like to hang out at the local airports
and do nothing but "hanger flying", i.e. sit around and talk about
aviation (and other topics).

Try it sometime, and join a local chapter of the EAA (experimental
aircraft association). You'll learn a lot more from talking to folks
than from reading posts like Mad's.

JD writes:

MS, don't let post like this bother you.

Not to worry; I am refractory to personal attacks.

ANY interest in aviation is good.

I agree.

Real pilots are in general one of the most POLITE bunch of people
you'd ever want to meet and hang out with.

Why are so many of the ones accessing USENET so rude, then? Or
perhaps they are not actually pilots (?).

A lot of GA pilots like to hang out at the local airports
and do nothing but "hanger flying", i.e. sit around and talk about
aviation (and other topics).

Is that anything like ... simulation?

Try it sometime, and join a local chapter of the EAA (experimental
aircraft association). You'll learn a lot more from talking to folks
than from reading posts like Mad's.

I live in Europe, so I don't really have those options. I try to read
things on paper and online, and I fly in simulation, and I fly in
network simulation (VATSIM) to practice ATC and to have some level of
unpredictability in the simulation.

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Mxsmanic,

Why are so many of the ones accessing USENET so rude, then?


You need to recalibrate your rudeness sensor to include yourself. It
will help. I guarantee.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
I live in Europe, so I don't really have those options. I try to read
things on paper and online, and I fly in simulation, and I fly in
network simulation (VATSIM) to practice ATC and to have some level of
unpredictability in the simulation.

Where in Europe do you live? Depending where you are, I could put you in
contact with local experimental aircraft associations and/or simmers who are
well versed in simulated flying.


Gus
EGYC

Gus Cabre writes:

Where in Europe do you live?

Paris.

Depending where you are, I could put you in
contact with local experimental aircraft associations and/or simmers who are
well versed in simulated flying.

Thanks, but here they would probably all speak French and talk about
French flying, which doesn't interest me that much because I want to
learn U.S. regulations and fly in English. I usually like to fly in
the American Southwest when I'm simming.

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