GA is priceless

On 3 Jan 2007 16:39:00 -0800, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in . com:

Apparently some traffic engineer decided that we, as drivers, were no
longer competent at judging speed/time/distance in our heads, and thus
could no longer be trusted to safely turn left when the light is green.

It was probably instigated by the insurance companies.

However, with the overly generous licensing procedures in place in
California, many licensed drivers may indeed not be capable of proper
judgment.

We can't abandon the inept; we've got to invent ways to bring them up
to speed, or face a revolt, IMO. I heard somewhere that about 25% of
drivers in Los Angeles aren't licensed as it is.

We can't abandon the inept; we've got to invent ways to bring them up
to speed, or face a revolt, IMO. I heard somewhere that about 25% of
drivers in Los Angeles aren't licensed as it is.

Hey -- this is happening in a state where the majority of
Medicare/MediCal health coverage is being spent on making hospital
payments for births to illegal aliens. Some $400 million in 2005
alone. (Child birth for non-citizens is 100% covered by tax-payer
money.)

Every member of my family that lived in California (and loved it, at
one time) has left it. That state is completely out of control.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Let me see if I'm following you here, Jim.

You're chiding *me* in a thread that *I* started for responding to a
guy who responded to me?

Yep. Just say no to responding to the MX, in any situation. You have done
so in many other threads also, and have defended him as saying his questions
were "interesting," or something like that.

Have you been taking Montblack's pain meds again?

Nope, but I wish I was. It might make this whole fiasco more tollerable.

I am figuring out who the worst examples are, as far as who tries to give
rational responses to HIM. The list is growing, and I hope I don't end up
putting you on the list. I really don't want to.

--
Jim in NC

"Jay Honeck" wrote

So, every night, on my way home from the hotel, I sit at a stoplight
waiting for my little left turn arrow, while the light is green and
there is NO traffic coming toward me. The wait can be over a minute,
which doesn't sound like much -- but if you multiply the amount of
gas/time I've wasted there over the last four years, and then multiply
THAT times the number of other drivers that turn left at that
intersection, I'll bet we have wasted enough $$$ to keep the Iowa City
Airport funded for a year...

The solution to that is to have a flashing red arrow. You can then turn
left after a safely stop.
--
Jim in NC

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:34:30 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote in :

The solution to that is to have a flashing red arrow. You can then turn
left after a safely stop.


There are alternative solutions:


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/wa...ion=retr ieve
21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone
shall stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering
the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none,
then before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped
until an indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in
subdivision (b).
(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a
driver, after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a
steady circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a
one-way street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn
shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an
adjacent crosswalk and to any vehicle that has approached or is
approaching so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard to the
driver, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to that
vehicle until the driver can proceed with reasonable safety.

"Larry Dighera" wrote

There are alternative solutions:


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/wa...ion=retr ieve
21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone
shall stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering
the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none,
then before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped
until an indication to proceed is shown, except as provided in
subdivision (b).
(b) Except when a sign is in place prohibiting a turn, a
driver, after stopping as required by subdivision (a), facing a
steady circular red signal, may turn right, or turn left from a
one-way street onto a one-way street. A driver making that turn
shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an
adjacent crosswalk and to any vehicle that has approached or is
approaching so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard to the
driver, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to that
vehicle until the driver can proceed with reasonable safety.

All that says is that you are allowed to do a left on red, if on a one way,
onto a one way. That isn't what Jay is talking about. He is talking about
turning across oncoming traffic, or lack there of, where with a solid Green
Yellow Red light, he could turn left while on Green, but now he has a solid
Red turn and can not turn.

A blinking Red would allow a left turn if traffic allows. It just takes one
more light in the stack, and the correct traffic control computer.
--
Jim in NC

("Larry Dighera" wrote)
There are alternative solutions:


Yes. Move to Minnesota and ride a motorcycle.

http://www.dps.state.mn.us/mmsc/latest/MMSCHomeSecondary.asp?cid=5&mid=153
(From the Minnesota Motorcycle Safety Center website)

3. Lisa Asks: Can Motorcyclists Go Through Red Lights?

I was told that if a motorcycle has a red light at a four way stop light,
and there is NO TRAFFIC, it is okay for the motorcyclist to proceed through
the light, regardless of direction, i.e. left turn, straight through the
intersection.
This can't be true, can it?!?

Dear Lisa,
It is only partially true. It's still illegal to blow off a red light, but
if a rider is ticketed for doing so, he or she may have a legal defense. See
below for the full text of the statute, passed in 2003:

http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H3203.4&session=ls82
Sec. 42. Minnesota Statutes 2000, section 169.06, is amended by adding a
subdivision to read: Subd. 9.

[AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE RELATING TO UNCHANGING TRAFFIC CONTROL SIGNAL.]

(a) A person operating a motorcycle who violates subdivision 4 by entering
or crossing an intersection controlled by a traffic-control signal against a
red light has an affirmative defense to that charge if the person
establishes all of the following conditions:
(1) the motorcycle has been brought to a complete stop;

(2) the traffic-control signal continues to show a red light for an
unreasonable time;

(3) the traffic-control signal is apparently malfunctioning or, if
programmed or engineered to change to a green light only after detecting the
approach of a motor vehicle, the signal has apparently failed to detect the
arrival of the motorcycle; and

(4) no motor vehicle or person is approaching on the street or highway to be
crossed or entered or is so far away from the intersection that it does not
constitute an immediate hazard.

(b) The affirmative defense in this subdivision applies only to a violation
for entering or crossing an intersection controlled by a traffic-control
signal against a red light and does not provide a defense to any other civil
or criminal action.


Montblack-leather-jacket

Mxsmanic,

Correction: I have learned instrument flight. It is true that I have
not flown in real-world IMC.

By no definition except your own, which is utterly irrelevant, have you
learned instrument flight. Notice that last little word, "flight".
Learning instrument flight involves FLYING. You haven't. Period.

Yes, I know there are sims that can be logged as flight time. They
involve elaborate certification to get that status. Most of that
certification makes sure the experience is similar enough to flying to
count. And no sensible person would say that you can learn instrument
flight only on one of those sims. You don't even have access to one.

You haven't learned flight. Not any kind. It seems to be a problem for
you. Get over it.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Viperdoc wrote:
at Waukesha (also not a great tourist attraction)


Hey I flew an Arrow there once to see a Maynard Ferguson concert at the
High School, in about 2002 or 2003.

Thomas Borchert writes:

By no definition except your own, which is utterly irrelevant, have you
learned instrument flight.

I've learned it a lot better than many non-IR pilots.

Notice that last little word, "flight".
Learning instrument flight involves FLYING. You haven't. Period.

I've simulated, which is good enough.

Yes, I know there are sims that can be logged as flight time. They
involve elaborate certification to get that status.

Yes, and ironically they aren't always very realistic. Just
certified.

Most of that certification makes sure the experience is similar
enough to flying to count.

No, it doesn't. It makes sure that certain details match reality,
while ignoring the rest. The simulation may be highly unrealistic
overall.

And sometimes an absence of certification simply means that nobody was
willing to jump through the hoops necessary to obtain it.

And no sensible person would say that you can learn instrument
flight only on one of those sims.

Why not?

You don't even have access to one.

Where did I describe my access?

You haven't learned flight. Not any kind. It seems to be a problem for
you. Get over it.

I'm not the one who seems to be emotional about it. It's not a
problem for me. I know what I've learned, and it is considerable.

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