Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Gus Cabre writes:

Just out of curiosity, what simulator are you using?

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004.

However, I use the PMDG 737-800 add-on aircraft, which is equipped
like the real thing (practically a different world as compared to the
default 737 in the simulator). I also use the Dreamfleet Baron 58
add-on, which, again, is also in a category of its own. Both are
renowned for their uncompromising realism with respect to the real
aircraft.

I also have a separate joystick and throttle, and rudder pedals.
Anything fancier is hard to justify at this time.

I fly a mixture of VFR and IFR on the Baron, and mostly IFR on the
737. I also use VATSIM, the leading virtual flight network, so that I
can interact with other human pilots and controllers by radio, rather
than just interact with the computer-generated stuff provided by MSFS
when it is in offline mode.

All in all, the realism is striking, and much better than some
detractors like to believe.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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All in all, the realism is striking, and much better than some
detractors like to believe.

How do you know?

Judah writes:

How do you know?

The honest ones admit it to me.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Judah writes:

How do you know?

The honest ones admit it to me.

Spurious conclusion. Those who agree with you are honest, those who
don't are not?

Either way, your judgment of realism is based on anything -but- your
own experience, and you are left to sort the opinions of others. Your
opinion that MSFS is realistic, or unrealistic, has no basis in any
-fact- that you have ascertained, since those... lemme count... yep,
zero is the total.
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gpsman writes:

Spurious conclusion. Those who agree with you are honest, those who
don't are not?

No. The honest ones admit it; the dishonest or disingenuous ones
argue about it endlessly.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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No. The honest ones admit it; the dishonest or disingenuous ones
argue about it endlessly.

How do you know who is honest and who is lying?

Judah writes:

How do you know who is honest and who is lying?

By knowing their overall personalities.

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Mxsmanic wrote: groups adjusted
gpsman writes:

Spurious conclusion. Those who agree with you are honest, those who
don't are not?

No. The honest ones admit it; the dishonest or disingenuous ones
argue about it endlessly.

Spurious conclusion. Your conclusion is identical to that you made
previously: those who agree with you are correct and honest; those who
disagree know you are correct, but are liars. All determined while you
lack any basis to determine who might be right or wrong.

If you were as smart as you seem to believe you might on your own
correctly assume a cheap game simulator approaches realism, but that's
all it does, or can do.

Your incessant crossposting to irrelevant groups is an obvious
indicator that you are a k00k... and the time you spend here arguing
with those who know of which they speak might be better spent
accumulating the income that would allow you to get an hour of air
under your ass so that you might form your conclusions via your own
experience.
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gpsman writes:

Your conclusion is identical to that you made
previously: those who agree with you are correct and honest; those who
disagree know you are correct, but are liars.

That was not my conclusion.

Pilots I know to be honest have agreed that MSFS is useful for
training and a reasonable simulation of flight. Pilots I know to be
insecure blowhards have insisted that it is neither. I have noted the
correlation.

If you were as smart as you seem to believe you might on your own
correctly assume a cheap game simulator approaches realism, but that's
all it does, or can do.

All simulators merely approach realism in a strict sense, but if the
part they simulate is the part you want or need, that's all that
matters.

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Your incessant crossposting to irrelevant groups is an obvious
indicator that you are a k00k... and the time you spend here arguing
with those who know of which they speak might be better spent
accumulating the income that would allow you to get an hour of air
under your ass so that you might form your conclusions via your own
experience.

Naw ... that would ruin the little schmeckel's enjoyment of the sim.