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Old January 4th 07, 05:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Mxsmanic wrote:

All in all, the realism is striking, and much better than some
detractors like to believe.


The realism is very striking. That doesn't make it REAL, however. By
definition.

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Old January 4th 07, 05:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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bdl wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:


All in all, the realism is striking, and much better than some
detractors like to believe.



The realism is very striking. That doesn't make it REAL, however. By
definition.

The topography is striking. The realizm is zip.
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Old January 4th 07, 06:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Sam Spade wrote:
bdl wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:


All in all, the realism is striking, and much better than some
detractors like to believe.



The realism is very striking. That doesn't make it REAL, however. By
definition.

The topography is striking. The realizm is zip.


And the topography wasn't that striking till they fixed the bridges...


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Old January 4th 07, 08:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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bdl writes:

The realism is very striking. That doesn't make it REAL, however.


As long as the realism is striking, it doesn't have to be real. The
whole purpose of simulation is realism without reality, after all.

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Old January 5th 07, 02:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Sam Spade
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Mxsmanic wrote:
bdl writes:


The realism is very striking. That doesn't make it REAL, however.



As long as the realism is striking, it doesn't have to be real. The
whole purpose of simulation is realism without reality, after all.

In the context of aviation the purpose of simulation is to faithfully
duplicate the aircraft flight deck, panels and systems, motion, and
outside visual references so that pilot qualification in the simulator
translates into pilot qualification in the aircraft.
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Old January 5th 07, 09:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Sam Spade writes:

In the context of aviation the purpose of simulation is to faithfully
duplicate the aircraft flight deck, panels and systems, motion, and
outside visual references so that pilot qualification in the simulator
translates into pilot qualification in the aircraft.


No. Simulation reproduces specific aspects of the real world with
specific levels of accuracy and realism. No simulation reproduces
everything perfectly. Some simulators reproduce certain things
perfectly. There is no one size that fits all, nor is it necessary
for all simulators to reproduce everything.

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Old January 5th 07, 10:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Sam Spade
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Mxsmanic wrote:

Sam Spade writes:


In the context of aviation the purpose of simulation is to faithfully
duplicate the aircraft flight deck, panels and systems, motion, and
outside visual references so that pilot qualification in the simulator
translates into pilot qualification in the aircraft.



No. Simulation reproduces specific aspects of the real world with
specific levels of accuracy and realism. No simulation reproduces
everything perfectly. Some simulators reproduce certain things
perfectly. There is no one size that fits all, nor is it necessary
for all simulators to reproduce everything.

Did I say "perfectly?"

How much Appendix D simulator training and proficiency checks have you had?
 




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