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Old January 5th 07, 05:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC



Mxsmanic wrote:


Uh, gee, Einstein, a real rudder DOES control flight path.



Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.


There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.
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Old January 5th 07, 05:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Newps wrote:



Mxsmanic wrote:


Uh, gee, Einstein, a real rudder DOES control flight path.




Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.



There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.


Not so. When an engine fails on a multi, a lot of rudder is required.
Skillfully done, the application of a lot of rudder is mandatory to
maintain the desired flight path.
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Old January 5th 07, 06:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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On 01/05/07 09:58, Sam Spade wrote:
Newps wrote:



Mxsmanic wrote:


Uh, gee, Einstein, a real rudder DOES control flight path.



Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.



There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.


Not so. When an engine fails on a multi, a lot of rudder is required.
Skillfully done, the application of a lot of rudder is mandatory to
maintain the desired flight path.


It is changing the flight path the aircraft would have taken had you
not applied the rudder.
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Old January 5th 07, 07:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 01/05/07 09:58, Sam Spade wrote:

Newps wrote:



Mxsmanic wrote:


Uh, gee, Einstein, a real rudder DOES control flight path.



Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.


There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.


Not so. When an engine fails on a multi, a lot of rudder is required.
Skillfully done, the application of a lot of rudder is mandatory to
maintain the desired flight path.



It is changing the flight path the aircraft would have taken had you
not applied the rudder.


That is like saying a localizer changes the flight path on an ILS.
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Old January 5th 07, 09:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Mark Hansen writes:

It is changing the flight path the aircraft would have taken had you
not applied the rudder.


It is also maintaining the flight path that you originally intended.

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Old January 5th 07, 10:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC



Sam Spade wrote:
Newps wrote:



Mxsmanic wrote:


Uh, gee, Einstein, a real rudder DOES control flight path.




Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.




There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.



Not so. When an engine fails on a multi, a lot of rudder is required.
Skillfully done, the application of a lot of rudder is mandatory to
maintain the desired flight path.





Yep, thus changing the flight path from the centered position.
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Old January 6th 07, 02:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Sam Spade
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Newps wrote:



Sam Spade wrote:

Newps wrote:



Mxsmanic wrote:


Uh, gee, Einstein, a real rudder DOES control flight path.





Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.




There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.




Not so. When an engine fails on a multi, a lot of rudder is required.
Skillfully done, the application of a lot of rudder is mandatory to
maintain the desired flight path.






Yep, thus changing the flight path from the centered position.


That is pure b.s. It keeps the flight path intended going, rather than
letting if follow the flight path at the centered position, which is
also known as a torgue roll into intverted flight, followed by a briefly
painful death for all aboard.
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Old January 6th 07, 02:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Sam Spade
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Default Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Newps wrote:



Sam Spade wrote:

Newps wrote:



Mxsmanic wrote:


Uh, gee, Einstein, a real rudder DOES control flight path.





Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.




There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.




Not so. When an engine fails on a multi, a lot of rudder is required.
Skillfully done, the application of a lot of rudder is mandatory to
maintain the desired flight path.






Yep, thus changing the flight path from the centered position.


Have a nice torque roll day.
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Old January 5th 07, 09:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Newps writes:

There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.


Landing in a crosswind.

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Old January 5th 07, 10:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Mxsmanic wrote:

Newps writes:


There is never a case where it doesn't change flight path.



Landing in a crosswind.



Steeeeeerike two.


 




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