Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote in
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How does the 172 fly when you pilot it at FL250 yourself?


It can't get up there, the C172 has a service ceiling arount 14,000 ft.


I had mine on a cold day to 14,500 and still climbing at 500 fpm. Forgot
the O2 to go any highter. I just wanted to see how high I could go. I
was in contact with ATC for monitoring. Just a fun thing to do.

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Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Ross wrote:


It's not a Extra 300 but I had the opportunity years ago to "fly" the
American Airlines Fokker F100 at their DFW training center at full
motion. I thought that was pretty realistic for this general aviation
pilot.


Was that full motion simulator running MSFS? That was the software in
question.


Nope, this was the real multi million $ American Airline simulator in
Ft. Worth Texas at their training center. I do not suspect they you
MSFS. I even had a AA instructor at the computer behind me.

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Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Stewart writes:


I have about 150 hours in MSFS and 10 hours
and 5 or 6 landings in a real plane. *Nothing*
in FS prepares you for the instructor shouting..


If your instructor shouts, you need a new instructor.


Airplanes are noisy and students get fixated
on things.

I don't need another instructor, I need to
stop replying to your senseless trolls.

I wonder if Max could even handle the
degree of psychological battering it takes
to become a good real-world pilot.


An instructor who could not keep a cool head would never retain my
business. I have too much experience to tolerate that sort of
misbehavior.

Your abject cluelessness is staggering.

In this case shouting and a cool head
have nothing to do with each other.

I'm done with you. You seem to be reasonably
intelligent yet you seem to have the wisdom
of a 2-year old. Please, please stay away
from real airports and real planes.

Barney Rubble writes:

How do you know that they aren't just agreeing with you in the hope that you
will go away? Seems much more plausible based on your current performance.

I know they aren't stupid.

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Ross writes:

Nope, this was the real multi million $ American Airline simulator in
Ft. Worth Texas at their training center. I do not suspect they you
MSFS.

Sometimes it can be surprising what runs on the back end.

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Alexey Goldin writes:

When I came back, I thanked her for saving me from possibly broken arm
or leg (no kidding) and unpleasant time spent in hospital, never mind
bent aluminium.

She could have accomplished the same without shouting or swearing.

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Wolfgang Schwanke writes:

It can't get up there, the C172 has a service ceiling arount 14,000 ft.

Then how do you know how it behaves at FL250?

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TxSrv writes:

How do you actually know they are real controllers?

I know where they work.

But I have trouble believing the typical ATC would regularly
spend off-hours directing nonpilots in a make-believe IFR
environment.

Is it also hard for you to believe that an airline pilot would spend
his off-hours flying a small private plane?

If there were many real controllers doing this, you wouldn't
have so many misconceptions about IFR, the few rigid rules
which are not to be violated, and the essential task of the
controller.

Why don't you try it, and report back here?

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B A R R Y writes:

I also have trouble believing very many real pilots would bother to
participate in that whole shebang.

Many real pilots play with MSFS all the time.

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TxSrv writes:

All planes, and various propulsion systems, react in the
same way to air density. The program itself could handle
this, needing only some specifics from the model file and
which it does supply for certain things. Whatever. Of the
zillion FS planes out there for download, point me toward a
normally-aspirated, piston aircraft, with certificated HP in
the model file, and which isn't a real hoot when slewed up
into the flight levels.

Since you cannot test the real aircraft that high, you have no way of
knowing whether the simulation is accurate or not.

The red knobby thingy? Besides doing little but being an
on/off switch?

It's considerably more than an on/off switch when I use it.

I dunno.

I agree.

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