Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

Mxsmanic wrote:

Ross writes:


Nope, this was the real multi million $ American Airline simulator in
Ft. Worth Texas at their training center. I do not suspect they you
MSFS.


Sometimes it can be surprising what runs on the back end.

In those $10 million simulators it sure as Hell ain't windows.

Sam Spade writes:

In those $10 million simulators it sure as Hell ain't windows.

I don't know, as I don't have any specs in front of me, but Windows
might well be used for certain functions, as it would lower
implementation costs if the OS is suitable for the purpose (writing a
custom operating system is very expensive). If the actual simulation
software is custom-written, I'd expect something a bit more efficient,
like a bare-bones UNIX system, or a dedicated real-time OS. But one
cannot use just anything, because the more exotic the OS, the more
expensive the development carried out for it.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Sam Spade writes:

In those $10 million simulators it sure as Hell ain't windows.

I don't know...

And that would be the key point. I *do* know. I operate them for a
living, doing airline training in them.

... Windows
might well be used for certain functions, as it would lower
implementation costs if the OS is suitable for the purpose (writing a
custom operating system is very expensive).

Hence the $12 MM pricetag for a typical Level D simulator, and the
nearly $1000/hour you'll pay to fly it.

But one
cannot use just anything, because the more exotic the OS, the more
expensive the development carried out for it.

Yes. Which is why a full-motion simulator is not available for $69 at
CompUSA.

Buck Murdock writes:

And that would be the key point. I *do* know. I operate them for a
living, doing airline training in them.

What operating system is used?

Hence the $12 MM pricetag for a typical Level D simulator, and the
nearly $1000/hour you'll pay to fly it.

I feel certain that generous profit margins are built into these
prices.

Yes. Which is why a full-motion simulator is not available for $69 at
CompUSA.

Not yet, at least. The motion part will be expensive for a long time,
because there is very little trend towards cost reduction in
mechanical systems, but the computers are already there--there just
isn't any readily available software to handle it. A standard PC is
fast enough to handle it.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Buck Murdock writes:


And that would be the key point. I *do* know. I operate them for a
living, doing airline training in them.


What operating system is used?


Hence the $12 MM pricetag for a typical Level D simulator, and the
nearly $1000/hour you'll pay to fly it.


I feel certain that generous profit margins are built into these
prices.


Yes. Which is why a full-motion simulator is not available for $69 at
CompUSA.


Not yet, at least. The motion part will be expensive for a long time,
because there is very little trend towards cost reduction in
mechanical systems, but the computers are already there--there just
isn't any readily available software to handle it. A standard PC is
fast enough to handle it.


You are so full of ****.

Several million of the $10-12 million goes to buy all the cockpit
hardware and essential avionics software and systems interfaces.

Again, you are so full of **** and an arrogant pain in the ass. If you
were for real and my aviation student, I would drop you like a hot potato.

Sam Spade writes:

Several million of the $10-12 million goes to buy all the cockpit
hardware and essential avionics software and systems interfaces.

Where does the rest go?

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Sam Spade writes:

Several million of the $10-12 million goes to buy all the cockpit
hardware and essential avionics software and systems interfaces.

Where does the rest go?

Toward the huge manufacturing and other costs incurred to
hand-produce a very complex machine in extremely low sales
volumes.

F--

Buck Murdock wrote:


Yes. Which is why a full-motion simulator is not available for $69 at
CompUSA.

Damn!

Sam Spade wrote:
Buck Murdock wrote:


Yes. Which is why a full-motion simulator is not available for $69 at
CompUSA.

Damn!

I can just imagine that Geek Squad installation visit. G

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B A R R Y wrote:

Yes. Which is why a full-motion simulator is not available for $69 at
CompUSA.

Damn!

I can just imagine that Geek Squad installation visit. G

"Well... I really think you should get the 3-year service plan on this,
'cuz we see a lot of service calls on these. Let's see.... $12
million.... .... yeah, it'd be just $3.5 million for 3 years of full
coverage. Can I sign you up now?"

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