Holds on autopilot?

Stan Prevost wrote:
From the instrument PTS III(C) "Holding Procedures"
"8.Uses proper wind correction procedures to maintain the desired
pattern and to arrive over the fix as close as possible to a specified
time."

On your checkride you need to time your hold to arrive over the fix w/i
about 1 minute of the specified time.


That relates to timed approaches from a holding fix, which is the only time
a crossing time will be specified. No specific tolerances on the time are
given anywhere that I know of. I wouldn't disagree with your "about one
minute", although nobody I know uses tolerances that large in training.
DPEs around here don't seem to specify a time.

From the PTS for ATP V Instrument
B: Holding
9 ) Arrives over the holding fix as close as possible to the
"expect further clearance" time.

-Robert, CFII

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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From the PTS for ATP V Instrument
B: Holding
9 ) Arrives over the holding fix as close as possible to the
"expect further clearance" time.


Thanks for that reference, Robert. I have not read the ATP PTS but have
never seen any other reference to using EFC in a hold. I still have no idea
why it would be so, other than just as a checkride device. It contradicts
the standard FAA references that I quoted.

Stan

Stan Prevost wrote:
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From the PTS for ATP V Instrument
B: Holding
9 ) Arrives over the holding fix as close as possible to the
"expect further clearance" time.


Thanks for that reference, Robert. I have not read the ATP PTS but have
never seen any other reference to using EFC in a hold. I still have no idea
why it would be so, other than just as a checkride device. It contradicts
the standard FAA references that I quoted.

Yes, your right that it contradicts the Instrument Flying Handbook. Not
sure if there is a revision in the works for either or if the FAA is
happy for them to disagree. We're still basically teaching the same
for both checkrides. IR or ATP, we pretty much teach the same
instrument stuff since a lot of the IR students plan on taking the ATP
checkride when able.

-Robert