Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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I had a similar experience on a United flight into Little Rock AR a
few years ago. I was listening to the channel while we were on final
and the tower calls "United 456, GO AROUND GO AROUND, Aircraft on the
runway." Before the second "Go Around" had been called the engines got
real loud. The tower then told the Baron to clear the active, contact
ground and call the tower at XXX-XXXX when able.

We were own very short final. And I have no doubt the pilot saw the
runway incurrtion at the same time the tower did.

Hmmm, aren't all electronics stowed below 10,000 feet. I would have
thought that all audio and movie channels would be turned off by the
captain, especially short final?

Allen

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

I had a similar experience on a United flight into Little Rock AR a
few years ago. I was listening to the channel while we were on final
and the tower calls "United 456, GO AROUND GO AROUND, Aircraft on the
runway." Before the second "Go Around" had been called the engines got
real loud. The tower then told the Baron to clear the active, contact
ground and call the tower at XXX-XXXX when able.

We were own very short final. And I have no doubt the pilot saw the
runway incurrtion at the same time the tower did.

Hmmm, aren't all electronics stowed below 10,000 feet. I would have
thought that all audio and movie channels would be turned off by the
captain, especially short final?

Allen

United's Channel 9 (when the captain allows) is usually available from
battery on to shutdown. I've listened to the ATIS, clearance, push, taxi,
takeoff, etc with the only interuptions being the safety briefing and what's
for lunch.

Jay B

"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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United's Channel 9 (when the captain allows) is usually available from
battery on to shutdown. I've listened to the ATIS, clearance, push,
taxi, takeoff, etc with the only interuptions being the safety
briefing and what's for lunch.

Hopefully Continental will do the same tomorrow when I leave from HOU to
HNL :-)) as JAN to HOU, lil RJs are not outfitted with channel niners.

Allen

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
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"Jay Beckman" wrote in
:

United's Channel 9 (when the captain allows) is usually available from
battery on to shutdown. I've listened to the ATIS, clearance, push,
taxi, takeoff, etc with the only interuptions being the safety
briefing and what's for lunch.

Hopefully Continental will do the same tomorrow when I leave from HOU to
HNL :-)) as JAN to HOU, lil RJs are not outfitted with channel niners.

Allen

AFAIK,

United is the only carrier that has ATC on the entertainment system.

Jay B

In article ,
A Lieberma wrote:

Hopefully Continental will do the same tomorrow when I leave from HOU to
HNL :-)) as JAN to HOU, lil RJs are not outfitted with channel niners.

United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

Frankly, though, choosing between Continental and United is a
no-brainer. I'd rather ride on Continental any day of the week, even
without "channel 9." Nicer planes, better food.

Buck Murdock wrote:
United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the
90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal...

American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago,
but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out
front and looking straight down.

Regards, Kev

"Kev" wrote in message
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Buck Murdock wrote:
United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the
90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal...

American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

Personally, I can't imagine much more pain and suffering beyond the
realization that you are knife-edge (and still rolling) in a DC10...

I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago,
but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out
front and looking straight down.

Flew Egypt Air 777 to Cairo and it had a forward-looking camera on the nose
gear. Cool view on a long final approach to land.

Jay B

Jay Beckman wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message
oups.com...
American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

Personally, I can't imagine much more pain and suffering beyond the
realization that you are knife-edge (and still rolling) in a DC10...

Yeah, no kidding, but to lawyers it's a big deal. Some states allow
suing for the pain and suffering that goes between the incident and
death.

So apparently the amount of time that someone is consciously
terrorized, can be a major factor in death (or for that matter, life if
they make it) compensation. If the insurance company can prove that
everyone was knocked unconcious, then there's far less non-pecuniary
damages allowed than if the passengers were awake... during a 30,000
foot fall, for example.

This kind of compensation doesn't apply over international ocean, due
to the Death on the High Seas act.

IANAL, Kev

Buck Murdock wrote in
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Frankly, though, choosing between Continental and United is a
no-brainer. I'd rather ride on Continental any day of the week, even
without "channel 9." Nicer planes, better food.

I'd have to agree with the nice planes :-)

767 with personal entertainment on the back of each seat, including the
cheap seats I was in. Movies or video games or even a GPS flight show.

Went to seatguru, selected the outer seat either behind or in front of
the wing.

First time on a 767 for me, and it is the quietest plane I ever been on!

Oh yea, the trip, awesome.

Only dissapointment was Lihue airport didn't have a GA place where I
could rent a Cessna.

Tell you what though, airliners had a dickens of a time at Lihue.

Downhill runway, every landing was a crusher, and every landing, we
stopped no sooner then the 1000 foot marker. Couldn't figure it out
until one takeoff, the pilot took his sweet time lining up, and I
happened to be on the left side of the plane. Runway had a huge grade
going down.

Allen

A Lieberma writes:

Hmmm, aren't all electronics stowed below 10,000 feet.

There's nothing to stow for on-board entertainment. And the most
interesting part of listening to ATC would be during take-off and
landing.

I would have
thought that all audio and movie channels would be turned off by the
captain, especially short final?

Why?

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