Israel pays the price for buying only Boeing (and not Airbus)

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:50:00 -0400 Peter Kemp
wrote:

:On 2 Jul 2003 17:45:33 -0700, (Quant) wrote:

(Kevin Brooks) wrote in message . com...

: Yep. We give the Israelis beaucoup bucks, and they turn around and
: sell their most advanced military products to the PRC while
: simultaneously engaging in espionage activities here in the US. One
: hell of a two way street you got there.

:1. The money America "give" is subsidizing the American industries and
:hurting the Israeli industries.

:Ten why does Israel accept it? Is the government really that stupid?

It allows the Israeli government to defer hard choices.

And, yes, it is stupid.

:Or are they grateful for the aid in filling a big hole in their
:budget?

Some are.

Some aren't, because making the hard choice would be much more beneficial in
the long term and thus accepting the money ends up hurting.

:2. Despite the fact that the American industries are heavily
:subsidized they can't compete against the Israeli industries in price
:and in many cases in quality.

:And yet the Israel products repeatedly lose out to US products that
:are "inferior" and "more expensive".

False.

Of course you can attempt to prove me wrong by supplying examples, but
supplying proof is rarely the interest of the typical Holocaust denier.

: Again, is Israel really that
:stupid or are you missing something.

Could be.

:Something doesn't gel here. If Israel would be better off in terms of
:cost and quality without the aid, then why take it?

It allows the Israeli government to defer making hard choices.

--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.dissensoftware.com

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:01:12 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:50:00 -0400 Peter Kemp
wrote:

:On 2 Jul 2003 17:45:33 -0700, (Quant) wrote:

:2. Despite the fact that the American industries are heavily
:subsidized they can't compete against the Israeli industries in price
:and in many cases in quality.

:And yet the Israel products repeatedly lose out to US products that
:are "inferior" and "more expensive".

False.

Of course you can attempt to prove me wrong by supplying examples, but
supplying proof is rarely the interest of the typical Holocaust denier.

Holocaust denier? Me? I suggest you alter your medication mate, as
I've said nothing of the sort *ever*, and I'd like to see you show one
iota of evidence that I have supported such notions.

As for proof, the IDF use of the M-16 vice the Galil, or the F-16 vice
the Lavi

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 06:42:39 -0400 Peter Kemp
wrote:

:On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:01:12 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
wrote:

:On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:50:00 -0400 Peter Kemp
:wrote:

::On 2 Jul 2003 17:45:33 -0700, (Quant) wrote:

::2. Despite the fact that the American industries are heavily
::subsidized they can't compete against the Israeli industries in price
::and in many cases in quality.

::And yet the Israel products repeatedly lose out to US products that
::are "inferior" and "more expensive".

:False.

:Of course you can attempt to prove me wrong by supplying examples, but
:supplying proof is rarely the interest of the typical Holocaust denier.

:Holocaust denier? Me? I suggest you alter your medication mate, as
:I've said nothing of the sort *ever*, and I'd like to see you show one
:iota of evidence that I have supported such notions.

:As for proof, the IDF use of the M-16 vice the Galil, or the F-16 vice
:the Lavi

Have you compared the prices of each to the GOI?

In these cases the inferior product is also cheaper.

--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Binyamin Dissen wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 06:42:39 -0400 Peter Kemp
wrote:

:On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:01:12 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
wrote:

:On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:50:00 -0400 Peter Kemp
:wrote:

::On 2 Jul 2003 17:45:33 -0700, (Quant) wrote:

::2. Despite the fact that the American industries are heavily
::subsidized they can't compete against the Israeli industries in price
::and in many cases in quality.

::And yet the Israel products repeatedly lose out to US products that
::are "inferior" and "more expensive".

:False.

:Of course you can attempt to prove me wrong by supplying examples, but
:supplying proof is rarely the interest of the typical Holocaust denier.

:Holocaust denier? Me? I suggest you alter your medication mate, as
:I've said nothing of the sort *ever*, and I'd like to see you show one
:iota of evidence that I have supported such notions.

:As for proof, the IDF use of the M-16 vice the Galil, or the F-16 vice
:the Lavi

Have you compared the prices of each to the GOI?

In these cases the inferior product is also cheaper.


Benny,
The Galil is too heavy for the infantry but Israel continues to use it
for the armored force and other units. For the near future the IDF
also preferred the excellent M-16 M4 on the new Israeli Tavor bullpup
but the main reason was the dollaric budget of the IDF (American guns
don't cost money to Israel, its part of the military aid).
The Lavi is irrelevant today. It was buried 20 years ago when the US
tried to prevent competition to the F-16.

The bottom line is that we all agree that Israel-US relations are a
mutual relations and that it's wrong to say that the US was "doing a
favor" to Israel when it decided to give financial/military aid to
Israel and to other states in the region.

Binyamin Dissen wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:50:00 -0400 Peter Kemp
wrote:

:On 2 Jul 2003 17:45:33 -0700, (Quant) wrote:

(Kevin Brooks) wrote in message . com...

: Yep. We give the Israelis beaucoup bucks, and they turn around and
: sell their most advanced military products to the PRC while
: simultaneously engaging in espionage activities here in the US. One
: hell of a two way street you got there.

:1. The money America "give" is subsidizing the American industries and
:hurting the Israeli industries.

:Ten why does Israel accept it? Is the government really that stupid?

It allows the Israeli government to defer hard choices.

And, yes, it is stupid.

:Or are they grateful for the aid in filling a big hole in their
:budget?

Some are.

Some aren't, because making the hard choice would be much more beneficial in
the long term and thus accepting the money ends up hurting.

:2. Despite the fact that the American industries are heavily
:subsidized they can't compete against the Israeli industries in price
:and in many cases in quality.

:And yet the Israel products repeatedly lose out to US products that
:are "inferior" and "more expensive".

False.

Of course you can attempt to prove me wrong by supplying examples, but
supplying proof is rarely the interest of the typical Holocaust denier.

How ripe (and unfortunately, to be expected). Anytime someone is
critical of Israeli policies, or dares to differ with an
Israeli/Pro-Israeli, the old "racist/Holocaust denier" card is whipped
out. I mean, how DARE someone have the temerity to disagree with
Israeli policy--obvious evidence in that of a deep-seated
racial/religious prejudice.

Is it just me, or is there a serious logical disconnect in that
reasoning path?

Brooks