Implications of.....keeping the speed up

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:51:03 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:

Jack Cunniff wrote:

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Where did you get that idea?

Sounds like the voice of experience to me:-))
Been there and done that.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:51:03 -0800, Sam Spade
wrote:


Jack Cunniff wrote:

No, it takes hundreds of hours flying an actual plane to get to be an IFR
pilot. Having simulator experience helps a person understand the
environment, but it's not the same as having actually had a scary learning
experience in real life. Guaranteed that THOSE are the lessons you learn
from.

-Jack

Where did you get that idea?


Sounds like the voice of experience to me:-))
Been there and done that.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

What is the regulation that requires "hundreds of hours flying" to
obtain an instrument rating?

What is the regulation that requires "hundreds of hours flying" to obtain
an instrument rating?

at least 250 hours
Federal Air Regulation 61.129 a (single engine) and b (multi engine)
http://tinyurl.com/yk44ov
or, in its long form
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text.... 1.1.2.6.1.2

Ed Mulroy wrote:
What is the regulation that requires "hundreds of hours flying" to obtain
an instrument rating?


at least 250 hours
Federal Air Regulation 61.129 a (single engine) and b (multi engine)
http://tinyurl.com/yk44ov
or, in its long form
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text.... 1.1.2.6.1.2



That is the section for a commercial certificate. The instrument rating
requirements are in 61.65. So where is the requirement for "hundreds of
flying hours" to obtain an instrument rating?

Matt

That is the section for a commercial certificate. The instrument rating
requirements are in 61.65. So where is the requirement for "hundreds of
flying hours" to obtain an instrument rating?

And if you check the cancel group you will see that I cancelled the message.
You managed to see it before tht cancel took.

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has gotten more enlightened
and removed the hour requirement.

In article ,
"Ed Mulroy" wrote:

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating.

Yeah, it used to be 200 hours (circa 1990).

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has gotten more enlightened
and removed the hour requirement.

In 1984, to apply for an instrument rating you needed to have 200 hours
of pilot time, of which 100 was PIC, of which 50 was PIC XC time. I do
see the wisdom of requiring 200 hours of VFR time before getting the
instrument rating, and do not think it was a good idea to drop it. The
reason is that it is important to learn how to keep one's eyes outside
the cockpit before beginning intensive training in keeping them inside
the cockpit, especially as nowadays there are more geegaws inside the
cockpit vying for the pilot's attention.

Jose
--
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Jose wrote:

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200)
requirement for an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has
gotten more enlightened and removed the hour requirement.


In 1984, to apply for an instrument rating you needed to have 200 hours
of pilot time, of which 100 was PIC, of which 50 was PIC XC time. I do
see the wisdom of requiring 200 hours of VFR time before getting the
instrument rating, and do not think it was a good idea to drop it. The
reason is that it is important to learn how to keep one's eyes outside
the cockpit before beginning intensive training in keeping them inside
the cockpit, especially as nowadays there are more geegaws inside the
cockpit vying for the pilot's attention.

Jose
It's all about a "license to learn."

Ed Mulroy wrote:
That is the section for a commercial certificate. The instrument rating
requirements are in 61.65. So where is the requirement for "hundreds of
flying hours" to obtain an instrument rating?


And if you check the cancel group you will see that I cancelled the message.
You managed to see it before tht cancel took.

There used to be a 250 hr (I think it was 250 but maybe 200) requirement for
an instrument rating. In later years the FAA has gotten more enlightened
and removed the hour requirement.

It used to be 200 hours or a commercial certificate. I believe it was
reduced to a 150 hours if the training was done at an approved school.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Spade ]
Posted At: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:57 AM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Implications of.....keeping the speed up
Subject: Implications of.....keeping the speed up

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It used to be 200 hours or a commercial certificate. I believe it was
reduced to a 150 hours if the training was done at an approved school.

It was reduced to 160 if you were in a Part 141 school. And that did not
have to be all VFR; you could get credit for your instrument training
time also.