Multiengine Rating

I'd love to own a 59 Chevy convertible, but I'd rather own a BE58TC!

Karl


"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
The Duchess is just a 4 place airplane, but its
single-engine performance is such that it can legally be
flown under Part 135 IFR rules, the Seminole performance is
such that it can't maintain the MEA on one engine on many
routes.

If I was buying a piston twin, I'd want a BE59TC.



"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
. ..
|I expect to get flamed for saying this, but the Duchess and
Seminoles are
| just trainers, and the Seneca is a real airplane. I have
flown a Seminole
| (with four onboard) in the tops of a stratus layer, unable
to climb into the
| clear. From what I read, the DA42 is quite an airplane,
but I have no idea
| what its cost is compared to others. It, too, is a real
airplane as opposed
| to a trainer.
|
| Bob Gardner
|
| wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| Hi,
|
| i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land),
VFR-add-on to my
| PP-ASEL.
| Any comments about the best training aircraft for these
purpose ?
| (PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond
DA42, ..)
|
| There are big differences concerning the rating
requirements.
| Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6 hours,
other 25 hours
| for the rating.
|
| Why it is so ?
|
| Mike
|
|
|

karl gruber wrote

I'd love to own a 59 Chevy convertible, but I'd rather own a BE58TC!

My very first automobile was a brand new '59 Chevy convertible, all
white with a red interior. I was a Naval Aviation Cadet flying S-2
Trackers at NAS Kingsville, TX.

Bob Moore

For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech Baron with
the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of the
straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and weights
400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400 pounds more
payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot range
without demanding the pilot be on oxygen.

But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220 hp
engines.



"karl gruber" wrote in message
...
| I'd love to own a 59 Chevy convertible, but I'd rather own
a BE58TC!
|
| Karl
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| The Duchess is just a 4 place airplane, but its
| single-engine performance is such that it can legally be
| flown under Part 135 IFR rules, the Seminole performance
is
| such that it can't maintain the MEA on one engine on
many
| routes.
|
| If I was buying a piston twin, I'd want a BE59TC.
|
|
|
| "Bob Gardner" wrote in message
| . ..
| |I expect to get flamed for saying this, but the Duchess
and
| Seminoles are
| | just trainers, and the Seneca is a real airplane. I
have
| flown a Seminole
| | (with four onboard) in the tops of a stratus layer,
unable
| to climb into the
| | clear. From what I read, the DA42 is quite an
airplane,
| but I have no idea
| | what its cost is compared to others. It, too, is a
real
| airplane as opposed
| | to a trainer.
| |
| | Bob Gardner
| |
| | wrote in message
| |
|
oups.com...
| | Hi,
| |
| | i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land),
| VFR-add-on to my
| | PP-ASEL.
| | Any comments about the best training aircraft for
these
| purpose ?
| | (PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond
| DA42, ..)
| |
| | There are big differences concerning the rating
| requirements.
| | Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6
hours,
| other 25 hours
| | for the rating.
| |
| | Why it is so ?
| |
| | Mike
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Jim Macklin wrote:
For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech Baron with
the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of the
straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and weights
400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400 pounds more
payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot range
without demanding the pilot be on oxygen.

But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220 hp
engines.

Duchess? Floats? cocks head Uuuhhhhh???

IIRC the real speedster of the Baron family was the BE56TC with the
380hp Lycs... although I'm not sure if the 58P might have been a few
ka-nots faster at altitude though.

If you want the TSIO 541, get a Duke. The Duke flies very
well and is as tough as nails.

Duchess on floats would be a nice seaplane trainer, doors on
both sides so you can dock. Plenty of rudder and elevator,
so it should not need extra fins. More power would be nice,
the 180 hp is marginal.

The 58TC has a gross weight of 6200 pounds, the straight 58
has a GW of 5400 pounds. The 58P has the 6200 pound gross
weight but the empty weight is about 400 ponds more than the
58TC.

In fact, if the 58TC had an STC for a IO 720, it would be a
great low altitude performer.



"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech Baron
with
| the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of the
| straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and
weights
| 400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400 pounds
more
| payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot
range
| without demanding the pilot be on oxygen.
|
| But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220 hp
| engines.
|
| Duchess? Floats? cocks head Uuuhhhhh???
|
| IIRC the real speedster of the Baron family was the BE56TC
with the
| 380hp Lycs... although I'm not sure if the 58P might have
been a few
| ka-nots faster at altitude though.
|

If you're flush with cash, there's also the Aztec Nomad conversion... doors
on both sides. Not sure how fun docking a low wing would be.
Jim

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
If you want the TSIO 541, get a Duke. The Duke flies very
well and is as tough as nails.

Duchess on floats would be a nice seaplane trainer, doors on
both sides so you can dock. Plenty of rudder and elevator,
so it should not need extra fins. More power would be nice,
the 180 hp is marginal.

The 58TC has a gross weight of 6200 pounds, the straight 58
has a GW of 5400 pounds. The 58P has the 6200 pound gross
weight but the empty weight is about 400 ponds more than the
58TC.

In fact, if the 58TC had an STC for a IO 720, it would be a
great low altitude performer.



"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech Baron
with
| the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of the
| straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and
weights
| 400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400 pounds
more
| payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot
range
| without demanding the pilot be on oxygen.
|
| But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220 hp
| engines.
|
| Duchess? Floats? cocks head Uuuhhhhh???
|
| IIRC the real speedster of the Baron family was the BE56TC
with the
| 380hp Lycs... although I'm not sure if the 58P might have
been a few
| ka-nots faster at altitude though.
|

Depends on the dock and piles.

But a floatplane, even low-wing is better than a Lake
Amphibian as far a s dock clearance.


"Jim" wrote in message
...
| If you're flush with cash, there's also the Aztec Nomad
conversion... doors
| on both sides. Not sure how fun docking a low wing would
be.
| Jim
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| If you want the TSIO 541, get a Duke. The Duke flies
very
| well and is as tough as nails.
|
| Duchess on floats would be a nice seaplane trainer,
doors on
| both sides so you can dock. Plenty of rudder and
elevator,
| so it should not need extra fins. More power would be
nice,
| the 180 hp is marginal.
|
| The 58TC has a gross weight of 6200 pounds, the straight
58
| has a GW of 5400 pounds. The 58P has the 6200 pound
gross
| weight but the empty weight is about 400 ponds more than
the
| 58TC.
|
| In fact, if the 58TC had an STC for a IO 720, it would
be a
| great low altitude performer.
|
|
|
| "Kingfish" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| |
| | Jim Macklin wrote:
| | For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech
Baron
| with
| | the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of
the
| | straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and
| weights
| | 400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400
pounds
| more
| | payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot
| range
| | without demanding the pilot be on oxygen.
| |
| | But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220
hp
| | engines.
| |
| | Duchess? Floats? cocks head Uuuhhhhh???
| |
| | IIRC the real speedster of the Baron family was the
BE56TC
| with the
| | 380hp Lycs... although I'm not sure if the 58P might
have
| been a few
| | ka-nots faster at altitude though.
| |
|
|
|
|

Jim wrote:
If you're flush with cash, there's also the Aztec Nomad conversion... doors
on both sides. Not sure how fun docking a low wing would be.

I've seen a photo of an Aztec on floats. I first thought it was a
PhotoShop job but apparently not.


If you want the TSIO 541, get a Duke. The Duke flies very
well and is as tough as nails.

I've read the 541 engines were quite finicky, as I'd expect from a high
horsepower Lyc. in a close cowled airplane. IIRC the same engine was
rated at 425hp in the P-Navajo? I think Dukes are tough looking
planes; Rocket Engineering in Spokane does PT6A conversions for Dukes
(beats an IO-720 IMHO) and had one in the works for a P-Baron, but
there's not mention of it on their site.

The reputation of the Duke and the TSIO 541 engine was
damaged by a many retired USAF jet-jockey desk pilots being
hired by companies to get a "cheap" pilot. The Duke must be
flown carefully and the engine requires proper and gentle
care.

On a Beech 58, the IO 720 would be a more durable
replacement for the more complicated TSIO 520 for those
operations that happen below 10,000 feet.

The conversion to a turbine makes little sense, since the
same cost can get you a good used King Air and a cabin class
aircraft with full approval for ice and IFR.



"Kingfish" wrote in message
oups.com...
|
| Jim wrote:
| If you're flush with cash, there's also the Aztec Nomad
conversion... doors
| on both sides. Not sure how fun docking a low wing
would be.
|
| I've seen a photo of an Aztec on floats. I first thought
it was a
| PhotoShop job but apparently not.
|
|
| If you want the TSIO 541, get a Duke. The Duke flies
very
| well and is as tough as nails.
|
| I've read the 541 engines were quite finicky, as I'd
expect from a high
| horsepower Lyc. in a close cowled airplane. IIRC the same
engine was
| rated at 425hp in the P-Navajo? I think Dukes are
tough looking
| planes; Rocket Engineering in Spokane does PT6A
conversions for Dukes
| (beats an IO-720 IMHO) and had one in the works for a
P-Baron, but
| there's not mention of it on their site.
|